What, you don’t have any Iranian comrades? I just had a meeting with an Iranian organizer last night. We didn’t discuss the events in Iran, we are working on a local campaign, but ill def hit him up and get his opinions.
What are you doing?
And just because something is “a fact,” doesn’t mean that deeper considerations can’t to be made in order to fully understand a situation, so that we can figure out the best course of action. If you’re not really involved in real life political organizing, and you’re used to dealing with TV news opinions, or if you are trying to mislead people, then gross abstraction and polemics might be all you need.
The point is some people do quite a bit more than that. Maybe you’re making political calculations within your cadre somewhere but it sure doesn’t seem like it. Your comment is a very surface-level statement and the idea that it negates, “talk to Iranian people” demonstrates your approach to politics
There are a lot of people in the internet saying that they are from there. But I don’t know. That’s why i like to collect opinions from many people. I know “in person” people that are from Iran, and most of them hated the regime, they hated that Iran was used by other authoritarian regime from Russia. But there are other people, that i don’t know, and might have different opinions. Especially, that Iran is in not a good place right now. Choosing between east and west empires, either Russia and China or USA, UK etc, is a pretty shitty situation. I know people that emigrates do UE, so they don’t want to choose between living in a middle east country that is vassal to either Russia of USA (especially that both are right wing countries, russia already authoritarian and situation in USA it is what it is). But as i said, there are other people with different opinions on this topic.
If you’re not really involved in real life political organizing
Instead of whataboutism and ad personam, can you share some arguments? That would be nice.
Your comment is a very surface-level statement and the idea that it negates, “talk to Iranian people” demonstrates your approach to politics
Again, why so many ad personam? I would like to know opinion of other people. I know that it hard for someone to share what they thing because they are on a high horse, and pretending to be smart, but that’s life.
Lol. I haven’t asked my comrade about it, I’ll let you know what he says.
I’m not attacking your character, I’m telling you my personal observation. This is not a debate, or a logic 101 exercise. If you want to engage with the subject, you have to engage directly, through the perspectives of actual people, without immediately referring to a list of logical fallacies made up by a society based on slavery. Demonstrate you are capable of stringing two arguments together in a rational manner, instead of one dimensionally not picking the better arguments of internet strangers. Logic isnt made real by its reference to some abstract ancient category of language, it is made real in the lives of actual people. Watching you cut perspectives out of your reasoning says a lot about how serious you are.
As for acting smart I didn’t pull out some ancient logical fallacies. Maybe lecture me on logos some more haha. Or maybe somebody actually knows more than you in this one little area! Is that so wrong and hard to believe? My horse ain’t high buddy, my whole point is for you to get down in the muck and difficulty of real conditions, so that maybe you learn something real instead of repeating vague abstractions that, by your own admission, you dont even remotely understand. Your tone doesn’t come off as someone who is looking for information.
But I’ll get back to you with something, to hold up my end of the deal. I honestly dont try to make assumptions about a situation, fog of war is real and dangerous.
you have to engage directly, through the perspectives of actual people,
If someone is posting this kind of confusing meme, i think that, that person has some opinion and knowledge of what’s going on. Especially, that it’s not fully clear what’s going on there.
That’s why I’m asking. I can stay im my bubble, but i know what are opinions of people that i know.
This is not a debate, or a logic 101 exercise.
It’s not me, who is trying to ride on a high horse, and doing some weird ad personam stuff ;)
Demonstrate you are capable
Once again, if you’re trying to create more strawman arguments just to distract me from my question, it’s a waste of time, I just asked author of the meme “what is your opinion on that subject”. No more straw man arguments, OK?
the better arguments of internet strangers.
I just asked for that argument, dude XD
Again, no more straw man arguments, OK?
Logic isnt, Maybe lecture me, Is that so wrong and hard to believe?
Then help us, explain to us what’s going on in Iran?
Iran right now is under right wing religious regime. That’s the fact. What do we know about the revolution, what in your opinion will change, and why?
What, you don’t have any Iranian comrades? I just had a meeting with an Iranian organizer last night. We didn’t discuss the events in Iran, we are working on a local campaign, but ill def hit him up and get his opinions.
What are you doing?
And just because something is “a fact,” doesn’t mean that deeper considerations can’t to be made in order to fully understand a situation, so that we can figure out the best course of action. If you’re not really involved in real life political organizing, and you’re used to dealing with TV news opinions, or if you are trying to mislead people, then gross abstraction and polemics might be all you need.
The point is some people do quite a bit more than that. Maybe you’re making political calculations within your cadre somewhere but it sure doesn’t seem like it. Your comment is a very surface-level statement and the idea that it negates, “talk to Iranian people” demonstrates your approach to politics
Do you talk down to everyone? What an insufferable attitude!
There are a lot of people in the internet saying that they are from there. But I don’t know. That’s why i like to collect opinions from many people. I know “in person” people that are from Iran, and most of them hated the regime, they hated that Iran was used by other authoritarian regime from Russia. But there are other people, that i don’t know, and might have different opinions. Especially, that Iran is in not a good place right now. Choosing between east and west empires, either Russia and China or USA, UK etc, is a pretty shitty situation. I know people that emigrates do UE, so they don’t want to choose between living in a middle east country that is vassal to either Russia of USA (especially that both are right wing countries, russia already authoritarian and situation in USA it is what it is). But as i said, there are other people with different opinions on this topic.
Instead of whataboutism and ad personam, can you share some arguments? That would be nice.
Again, why so many ad personam? I would like to know opinion of other people. I know that it hard for someone to share what they thing because they are on a high horse, and pretending to be smart, but that’s life.
Lol. I haven’t asked my comrade about it, I’ll let you know what he says.
I’m not attacking your character, I’m telling you my personal observation. This is not a debate, or a logic 101 exercise. If you want to engage with the subject, you have to engage directly, through the perspectives of actual people, without immediately referring to a list of logical fallacies made up by a society based on slavery. Demonstrate you are capable of stringing two arguments together in a rational manner, instead of one dimensionally not picking the better arguments of internet strangers. Logic isnt made real by its reference to some abstract ancient category of language, it is made real in the lives of actual people. Watching you cut perspectives out of your reasoning says a lot about how serious you are.
As for acting smart I didn’t pull out some ancient logical fallacies. Maybe lecture me on logos some more haha. Or maybe somebody actually knows more than you in this one little area! Is that so wrong and hard to believe? My horse ain’t high buddy, my whole point is for you to get down in the muck and difficulty of real conditions, so that maybe you learn something real instead of repeating vague abstractions that, by your own admission, you dont even remotely understand. Your tone doesn’t come off as someone who is looking for information.
But I’ll get back to you with something, to hold up my end of the deal. I honestly dont try to make assumptions about a situation, fog of war is real and dangerous.
Edit: Here is a start. Honestly with internet shut down, we can’t know what is happening. https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601137152
If someone is posting this kind of confusing meme, i think that, that person has some opinion and knowledge of what’s going on. Especially, that it’s not fully clear what’s going on there.
That’s why I’m asking. I can stay im my bubble, but i know what are opinions of people that i know.
It’s not me, who is trying to ride on a high horse, and doing some weird ad personam stuff ;)
Once again, if you’re trying to create more strawman arguments just to distract me from my question, it’s a waste of time, I just asked author of the meme “what is your opinion on that subject”. No more straw man arguments, OK?
I just asked for that argument, dude XD
Again, no more straw man arguments, OK?
Also, no off topics, OK?
Ad personam.
Ad personam
And so on and so on.
Sorry buddy, but it’s a waste of time.
Good luck with your life ;)
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