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I’ll never forgive Fidel for taking my grandpa’s farm and teaching his slaves how to read
my partner’s mom’s side of her family used to be slave owners in Cuba and that’s really how they think
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They weren’t so elusive before 1959
Say what you actually want to say, cause it just looks like you’re sticking up to Batista.
Stalin’s purge included the murder a lot of the original bolshevik revolutionaries.
I’m ofc assuming Stalin doesn’t count as a communist… Hopefully.
Edit to add: fuck nazis
Yeah, the guy that lead the most successful iteration of communism isnt a real communist. Only people debating on the internet are true communists.
Your criteria for communism is essentially “if they did bad things, then it wasn’t real communism”. Leftists can learn a lot from The Soviet Union, mistakes and all. Dismissing entire nations that actually tried communism because you’re scared you’ll have to justify everything they did is silly.
Can a nation be considered to have achieved communism when it still has a hierarchy?
Communists are not people that practice communism (not possible yet), they are people trying to achieve communism as an end goal.
The final goal of communism is a worldwide, stateless, classless, moneyless society.
This has obviously never been achieved, but the socialist and communist factions that use Marxism Leninism to work toward this goal are still nonetheless communist.
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And this excuses your grandfather being a Nazi… how?
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Saying that Stalin was a communist is like saying Trump is altruistic.
Call it like it is: he was a dictator and the following regimes were dressed in the same cloth.
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Communism is a dictatorship of the proletariat. Resources must be usurped from the ruling class by force, as they cannot be reasoned with. There is nothing wrong with that.
Communism is a dictatorship of the proletariat.
no, the dictatorship of the proletariat is supposed to be a transitional phase. once you get to communism, it’s not supposed to be a dictatorship of anyone. even Marx allowed that it was possible that in a country with a strong democratic system, that the dictatorship of the proletariat might not even be needed. ironically, one of the countries where he said it might be possible was the United States and Great Britain.
clearly, times have changed.
You’re correct. Thank you for clarifying.
My point about “dictatorship” being “not real communism” still holds though. The dictatorship is required to achieve communism.
There’s nothing wrong with usurping resources from the ruling class, but there is a lot wrong with imposing tyranny on the proletariat.
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For many westerners, communism is just a fantasy. They have no material grasp on what happens when you try to do it. They think you just magically redistribute resources while the ruling class stands by without interference.
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MF Bought reciepts
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They literally didn’t bring any recipes though. Just unsubstantiated claims. Anyone can do that.
are you saying holomodor didn’t happen, and that stalin wasn’t an authoritarian bastard?
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Yeah, your kind can never engage with disagreement without running away like Satres anti-semite
fair
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Are you saying that you’re a child molester who supports the KKK?
nope. what’s that got to do with the chain of reasoning that we are discussing?
Forester : Holomodor was a famine that caused deaths
Me : Damn, Forester brought up many examples of deaths being caused by communists (NB : not communism, particular communists) that were not right wing assholes.
you : he provided propaganda (unsubstantiated claims)
me : are you saying that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor didn’t happen?
you: are you a child molestor
What’s the deal my man?
So you make an obviously bad faith “are you saying [obvious strawman that is not at all what I said]?” comment, but then have a tantrum when I do the same back to you? Fuck off. How about you actually read and respond to what people actually fucking say, rather than literally making up your own bullshit quotes that noone said: literally manufacturing fictional conversations whole cloth. Until you actually respond to what actually said, without making up fake quotes or other bad faith bullshit, I’m going to keep treating you the same.
So you’re saying that you’re actually a neo nazi who loves child porn?
why is holomodor an “unsubstantiated claim”?
Funny watching the so called “leftists” bringing out their pre-prepared lists of anti-communist cold war talking points.
