Meme transcription: Anakin & Padme
[Panel 1] Anakin tries selects “Update and shut down” from the Windows start menu.
[Panel 2] Padme, labeled as “Windows”, cheerily says: ”You mean ‘Update and restart’, right?”
[Panel 3] Anakin takes an annoyed look.
[Panel 4] Padme, still cheery, says “I’ll just ‘Update and Restart’.”
My favorite is when I shut it down and then it reboots into Ubuntu bc that’s my default in grub
me who uses rEFInd which remembers the last OS chosen and defaults to that: I don’t have such weaknesses
Grub also has this feature lmao
lmao true
so true bestie
Lmao this just happened to me last night
Oh god, I run hackintosh and had a problem for months that Win10n wouldn’t update correctly. Had to pull every drive but Win10 before it would update correctly, then properly corrupted itself and I had to do a fresh install anyway. POS OS.
God I hate when meme formats are completely misused.
I can’t stand how windows updates are so intrusive. Sometimes I’ll leave my computer on running a task overnight and Windows will just say “Oh fuck you, I restarted halfway through the night, and then your computer sat idle for 3 hours”. And, btw, I have updates “suspended”
I’m like everyone else here, I run Linux for most of my stuff, but Windows is on one last box, and it’s just so aggravating now
How do you know if someone uses Linux?
Don’t worry, they’ll tell you
Hi, I’m a vegan Linux user, do know want to know why you’re wrong about everything?
I’m having a hard time reading this comment thru the “activate Windows” text. I gtg work starts soon, I’ll react when I get home, I work as a butcher btw.
/j
I mean, they’re complaining about something in Windows. So without the disclaimer they’re guaranteed 20 comments saying to just use Linux.
My experience is Windows starting updates during the night, getting stuck on bitlocker, so fans are yelling at 100 until I can login
Set fan speed in bios
I had fans at the most silent setting in bios but it’s not a good fallback for those times when speedfan fails. It’s a tough compromise
“I’m like everyone else here, I run Linux…”
Erm, did you just assume my OS?
I am so satisfied with my Windows Amliorated version because it will never have Microsoft updates ever again, only through playbooks. Every bad thing is removed. I just love it and ots the first time I actually feel comfortable and not betrayed. I feel like the OS is mine and not an entity with its own desire and magic.
But of course I use Arch linux btw. Only using Windows for VR gaming
But of course I use Arch linux btw. Only using Windows for VR gaming
Was about to write a windows rant comment for you, but this saved you. I too use Arch btw.
But now I am curious what the rant would be about.
What are you all doing with your installs.
Literally never happened to me. Not in 1809, 1903, 1909, 20H1, 20H2, 21H1 ever.
It surely did some stuff believing it was idling while I was just surfing on my phone but it never restarted from itself. And I manage a good amount of PCs (Win 10/11 Pro) to say this is not a thing. At least not in Germany.At a certain point, Windows decides that you’re going to update whether you like it or not. It’s one of the main reasons I stopped using it. And the updates honestly suck so hard. Such a shitty upgate process.
I’ve had it happen three times in the last ~1 year each time killing some running process that I kept my pc on for. IIRC it were robocopy backups twice and once during deep sky photography.
I get why they force updates, but resarting is a bit too much for me. Although I understand why they do it, there’s so many people just never shutting their systems down and Windows apparently just needs to reboot a lot for updates.
If you haven’t noticed it on your machines, it probably is because you keep them updated and restart them regularly (or disabled the “feature” somewhere).
(or disabled the “feature” somewhere).
Nah, windows tends to ignore any setting telling it not to automatically update, at least it did 2 years ago, otherwise I’d still be using it
Windows just does whatever the fuck it likes really
Sometimes it goes to sleep. Sometimes it just turns off the monitor. Sometimes it just wakes itself up.
Sometimes it updates itself and deletes all your user data 🤷♂️
So the reason it does this is Windows update requires a reboot. So it installs the patch, reboots AND THEN shuts down. If your missing the final shut down it’s becuase something is preventing it or you started using it again.
It has never done so for me. Just restarts and sits on the login screen.
Then something is wrong. Works for me.
Hu weird, this has done so on every single PC I own, including my work laptop and my Surface. No idea what could be wrong, guess some more advanced settings
Also happens for me. Kinda annoying.
50/50 for me. Last update didn’t shut down, one before that did.
Same
This is what it’s supposed to do. What it actually does is just sit doing jack shit at the login screen
Usually I’ve seen this be an issue on custom build rigs where bios might be out of date or something like fast boot is enabled which is known to cause issues in some cases where computer won’t shutdown cleanly.
One thing I give Linux credit for is how it handles updates. Like, yeah, Linux doesn’t force updates, that we all know, but I like how at least in the GNOME desktop, there is no “Update and action” button, there is only the shutdown and restart buttons, where if I am to press either, the system will ask me if I want to install updates or not with a nice box to tick the option. Nowhere near as cluttered as it is in the picture.
On most distros you don’t need to restart to update. Mint will just put an icon on the taskbar when updates are ready, and you can even tell it to just do it in the background. No restarts or shutdown warnings.
Don’t kernel updates need a restart?
Yeah but no work has to be done during the restart, it’s just booting into the new kernel.
Usually yes, but you’ll never be forced or even nagged to restart. You could keep your computer going for months on the same kernel until you decide that it’s time to reboot, at which point your computer will boot with the new kernel.
Yeah. GNOME does this probably because it’s safer and ensures that the packages are downloaded in full before applying updates in an environment that is less likely for something to go wrong (Although I particularly don’t know how true this is)
I’m guessing it’s moreso that Gnome likes to make changes that can break things like extensions, and they probably don’t hot swap shell components. The biggest reason you need to restart after Linux updates is that certain things are only loaded during the boot process (i.e. the kernel, initramfs, some boot or filesystem options) and can’t easily be reloaded while the system is running. But you update something like dnsmasq, you probably just need to restart the service. At worst you need to reload the systemd daemon for config changes to take. And if you’re just updating binaries, unless it’s something like PAM that can also be not fun to restart and is constantly running, you probably don’t need to do very much.
Firefox will occasionally act up if it’s updated in the background while it’s running. It detects this pretty quickly though and prompts you tobrestart thr browser when you open a new tab. That’s just about the only app I’ve had issues with though.
I’ve been looking at mint but I’ve been using windows all my life. I’m worried about the steep learning curve and terminal “language”
Would a noob like me survive on linux for gaming?
The learning curve is not as bad as it used to be. Almost everything can be done through the GUI, many tutorials exist, and steam will run almost any game without tinkering with it. ProtonDB is your friend.
Tell me about it… As a stem deck user, I’d fuck proton If could
Mint with Cinnamon is very Windows like from the UI. You probably won’t need to touch the terminal for running steam games - there’s a GUI for pretty much anything a normal user would need.
These days the learning curve for Linux isn’t all that steep; I’ve tricked people into thinking my Linux Mint machine was running “Windows 9.” What you should expect are culture shocks. We’re going to call things different names, some things are done differently. Where Windows has “shortcuts” Linux has “Links” (to files) and “Launchers” (to run programs). Same functionality, two concepts instead of one. We actually use our app store, but since everything in there is free we don’t call it a “store,” we call it a “package manager.”
As for the ‘terminal “language”,’ let’s demystify this a bit. Yes, the Command Line Interface does consist of a more or less complete programming language with loops and conditionals and such, but all that isn’t really necessary to use it as a basic user interface. It’s actually pretty simple.
You type the name of a program, hit enter, and it runs that program.
Like if I want to open VLC from the terminal, I can just type
vlcand hit enter.There are some nuances to it but that’s generally it.
For example, let’s say I want to listen to the very hottest new track by my favorite band in VLC, and for some reason I want to use the terminal instead of clicking the mouse a bunch of times. I can type
vlc /Music/don't_you_want_me_baby.mp3into the terminal and VLC will open and immediately begin playing that track. But what if just one run of the song isn’t enough? What if I want to hear the groundbreaking sound of The Human League over and over? I can add--repeatto the command as an option, and it will repeat the track endlessly. Options will either be one dash and one letter, or two dashes and a word. -R is the same as --repeat in this case. If you want to know what the options are for a given program, you can type [program name] --help. I usedvlc --helpto find out about the --repeat option.That’s mostly how you’re going to use the terminal at first, by typing the name of the program you want to run, and maybe some options or arguments (–repeat is an option, the name of the file is an argument).
You can, of course, open up the file explorer to your Music folder and double click the file you want to hear, or launch VLC from the app menu and drag and drop the file, or click Open and deal with the dialog, the GUI exists for a reason. Where you’re probably going to encounter the terminal early on in your Linux journey is when you’re having some problems, and you ask for help on a forum or Lemmy community or something. The experienced Linux users who offer to help will ask you to run a terminal command and copy-paste its output. Because it’s fast and easy for you to copy-paste the command I want you to run, and the text it spits out as output. Compared to “Right click on the task bar and click Properties, then go to Devices and click Driver Manager…”
As for whether a noob like you will survive on Linux for gaming: At this point it still depends on your taste in games, because especially competitive multiplayer shooters often exclude Linux on purpose because “something something anticheat.” I play a lot of indie and small studio games, single player or cooperative multiplayer, stuff like Stardew Valley, Factorio, Subnautica, Unrailed. These work great, and to get up and running I have to do less on Linux than on Windows.
My recommendation: Download VirtualBox, download Linux Mint Cinnamon Edition, and run Linux in a virtual machine. Give it a try. You might like it.
Look into pop OS and Garuda. Those are two gamer designated distros so all should be enabled by default and just work. Garuda is arch based and arch is super easy to use terminal wise. Feel free to poke me whenever you need help and I’ll be happy to help, but you probably won’t need any help. :)
I’m hearing two opposites sides of arch. Some say that Arch is not as stable and only for experienced users who already know linux…while you’re telling me it’s so stable I won’t need any help. What? 😖
I’m running Linux mint on a spare SSD and steam games won’t even launch for me right now (yes I enabled proton) Someone told me here Mint is the most “windows” like and best distro for new users…I’m conflicted on if I should try arch
I’ve also heard of Nobara that’s gamer focused but I’m worried that it’s a custom build, support won’t be widely available as more mainstream distros should I need help
I’ve never used Mint and I don’t get the hype. I didn’t have to modify anything on endeavourOS for stuff to run. All I do on endeavourOS is yay to get updates and install via yay -S [pkgname].
On endeavourOS I run Steam via flatpak since it uses 32bit libraries, so I personally prefer it separate, but I used to have it non-flatpak and it worked normally.
https://www.ecosia.org/search?q=linux mint steam games wont start&addon=opensearch
There’s a lot of results for Steam games not launching on Mint with hopefully something which may solve your issue. Sorry to be of no help. :(
No you’ve definitely been a great help…in convincing me to give arch a try
Yes. Most things can be done without the terminal, and when it’s required, 99% of the time you’ll easily find a guide with instructions you can just copy/paste.
I wouldn’t recommend it for my 78 year old mother who needs me to add her email account to her tablet, but anyone remotely computer-savvy can handle the transition.
The Linux community is generally very helpful and welcoming. If ever you can’t figure something out, someone somewhere will probably be willing to help.
Just be careful when copy/pasting commands. Especially when updating/removing packages.
I’ve shot myself in the foot a number of times where I’ve nuked my desktop environment from existence because deleting a package also deleted the entire environment. Definitely on me though, I didn’t read properly. So just keep an eye on what you’re doing, read what it’s updating and removing and the majority of the time you’ll be fine.
There will be things to learn and unlearn, but modern Linux distros are fairly smooth sailing for basic tasks if your hardware supports Linux well. Laptop support is a little more spotty, where there may be issues with suspend, or the Wi-Fi needing 3rd party drivers, but desktops will probably work without much fuss (and there are plenty of laptops with no issues).
Gaming has been made much easier thanks to wine and proton, particularly valve’s contributions. For steam games, many of them will just work out of the box or after ticking a checkbox. ProtonDB is invaluable for quickly seeing how well a game will run on Linux.
But as you’ll see as you read some of the reports on ProtonDB, there will likely be a more troubleshooting than you’re used to on windows. As long as you know how to Google the name of your distro + the problem you’re seeing, you’ll usually find a solution.
You don’t need to be a terminal master to use Linux nowadays. But most things are easier to explain with terminal commands than with step by step gui instructions, so many guides online will have you use the terminal to some degree.
Honestly, the best advice I can give is just try it. If you have a spare drive (internal or usb), just go ahead and install Linux to it. If you want to be extra sure you won’t do anything to your existing windows install, remove the windows drive first (or disable it in bios). Then play around with things and see how it feels.
I swear that these image transcriptions are going to be used to train AI.
How is that bad?
… Fuck
Also to train Microsoft to be more annoying.
Never post a windows meme on lemmy. Grave mistake. I use nixos btw
i use gentoo btw, you still need to learn. You are not a real linux user if your kernel is not compiling for 3 hours.
I use Arch btw.
Compiling from a good ol’ P4, are we?
I couldn’t find a Windows meme community (interesting), so I thought, an anti-Windows meme is kind of a Linux meme.
There needs to be an anti windows community, that way the linux communities can settle down a bit and actually discuss linux
The confusing mess that is Windows update feels like the result of a large corporation of many people that are pulling in different directions while they attempt to meet the requirements of users that are completely ignorant and apathetic.
I don’t understand why I need to choose ‘restart and update’. Why can’t this be achieved from shutting down? It’s programmed as if shutting down means I’m never coming back to the machine again. Shutdown is the wrong word, it should say Decommission.
Ngl this is a weird question. It’s like asking “why would I ever need to choose ‘restart’, why can’t the same be achieved by shutting down?”
You really can’t think of a use case for updating and restarting your computer instead of just shutting it down? Remote sessions? Power button in an inconvenient location? The desire to not need yet another input to get what you wanted?
I think it’s weird to want to be involved in the update. They want me to sit like a dummy watching the stupid icon spin round for a few minutes. What I have learned or achieved during that time is not edifying in the slightest.
You’re no more involved than
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -yin that you’re sitting watching mostly useless info output to your screen while you wait.It’s essentially just a way of saying “the update is still happening and this is about how far we are in the process” so you’re not just twirling your thumbs at a black screen or nothing but spinning dots.
User feedback is pretty important, be it verbose output of what’s currently happening, or just a progress summary in the form of a total percent complete.
I daresay there are plenty of folks who do want to know about updates and good luck to them. At least Linux users have the opportunity to properly examine what"s inside. Windows and macOS are designed for the lowest common denominator, the people who don’t understand what a cancer these proprietary tech companies have become.
Yes, the info can be useful. And technically speaking (on windows at least) you can dig into the logs and see what happened. But yeah, 99% of users don’t know what any of it means, so it makes no difference to them if it’s hidden away.
That said, aiming for the lowest common denominator is a good thing, imho, so long as you’re also providing a way for power users to get at the info being hidden.
That’s pretty much the entire way windows works. Give the tech illiterate a shiny object to stare at, and give power users a way to view what’s underneath.
The last time I paid any attention to the update process was probably ten years ago when Microsoft noticed how much user data was worth on the open market and retrofitted their nascent surveillance apparatus to win7. That seemed to motivate a lot of folks to block the offending updates. Thankfully the EU have regulated their data harvesting ‘updates’ but it’s probably something we should keep an eye while the little number climbs to 100.
God I thought it was only my PC that did that lol.
Literally does what’s on the tin for me.
Updated, restarted to finish it and shut down completely after that.For me it works sometimes, sometimes it doesn’t.
My reboot button wipes the BIOS.
Never happened to me.
Maybe that’s a problem because you dual boot?If so: Not a supported use case by windows/ms and they will probably tell you to stop it and then it will work without issues.
If that is actually the case:
You can’t just do stuff the company (as bullshit as it is) tells you not to, break the software and then call the company shit for doing something out of scope.You can’t just do stuff the company (as bullshit as it is) tells you not to, break the software and then call the company shit for doing something out of scope.
The company’s software can’t just do stuff I (as bullshit as it is) don’t want it to, break my system and/or overwrite data on partitions and drives I did not give it explicit or implicit permission to read, access, or modify, and then tell me my use case is unsupported and so I just have to deal with it.
I’m not OP and I don’t even dual boot, but it’s my computer, not Microsoft’s. If I want to dual boot, and Windows breaks that despite me not making any changes to Windows, then yes the company deserves to have shit placed at their feet. Linux doesn’t overwrite any Windows data when it updates unless you tell it to, so why have tons of people (including multiple friends) had Windows overwrite their Linux data on updates?
Dual-booting literally is a supported use case
I had to do a firmware update for my new CPU. The firmware is shit. Last version I had the option of virtualization or networking, never both but the BIOS didn’t wipe.
I literally just had this happen a couple days ago. I dual boot with Linux Mint and I generally don’t go into windows except for specific use cases. So sometimes it can be a while between boots for windows on my system.
I had to use a windows only program, but it was a quick 5 minute thing. Finished my task, shut it down and I get the update prompt. Fine windows, update and shutdown. Of course it reboots, but it defaults into Mint and I’m confused for a minute why my PC is still on when I come back.
I had Windows in sleep mode one time and it woke the computer up at 3 AM (found out by looking at Event Viewer) to do updates.
The most infuriating thing is that they label that as a feature. Sure, I want to get woken up in the middle of the night because some MS douche decides my laptop needed updates.
TBH if you don’t restart then it’s going to take an hour before it lets you log in the next time you boot up. Just keep it going on Hibernate until you’re ready to let it update.
My shutdown button always just reboots. Doesn’t matter if there’s an update or not. Like, after a fresh install, it might shutdown correctly once…
I had this issue so frequently with Windows yet never with Linux. Fuck Windows.
