No need to read the entire article. Just skim through it a bit.
Btw, I can attest that the 1964 regime change in Brazil was real because I live here and we study the military dictatorship period in middle/high school and the theme is still relevant to this day (hence why we jailed Bolsonaro). (Edit: I forgot to mention that the reveal that 1964 had a hand from operation condor is recent. it was just a “leftist hoax” before but, “today”, the papers of US involvement in Brazil’s coup made the “leftist hoax” not be a hoax anymore)
We will need to wait a a few more decades before going public that US also interfered with our politics on the impeachment of Dilma and raise of Bolsonaro to power.
But at least Obama government bugging Dilma’s phone was true
Also, did anyone ever mentioned that the only country who used nukes in wars up to this day was US? the country that bombed 2 civilians cities for “research purposes”?
If Russia and France didn’t got their bombs in time, I can almost assure you that history would be different a lot of other countries would receive radioactive democracy blessings from US intead of the “boring” democracy US employs in the world nowadays.
It just seems so US centric that it’s always the US this the US that, there’s like the whole rest of the world too but the discussion always is “socialist country do something bad” “well what about the US???”. Like goddamn
Why do you think it’s the US specifically and none of all the other capitalist countries
then you go about
It just seems so US centric that it’s always the US this the US that, there’s like the whole rest of the world too but the discussion always is “socialist country do something bad” “well what about the US???”. Like goddamn
Can you first decide if you are talking about capitalist countries (as stated first) or socialist countries? Or are you going to be moving goalposts?
I wrote a direct and on the point answer on why do some people think it is US specifically.
As pointed out, US backed coups and regime changes (unless you want to argue that these facts are untrue).
Now, if you want to go about other capitalist countries, then France and UK have their hands on some regime changes as well over the years.
Although this wkipedia entry doesn’t look as bad as the US’ one, only a fool would think that France has good intention about their interference in the middle east:
Even my country, Brazil, has some dirt on it by being an economical powerhouse among Latin America.
We did try to make comercial relations that mixed both the style of EU (Mercosul) with our neighbors and also similar to China-african countries relation as we did with Cuba by bringing Cuban physicians to work here while we helped them economically (but I’m sure there was some strings attached. we aren’t saints and nor do we pretend to be the savior of free democratic world).
But we do know that, if left unchecked, we could derail again into being imperialist or into being a dictatorship (again, we just jailed Jair Bolsonar for trying a coup d’etat to make another military dictatorship in the shape of the 1964 that happened).
Speaking of Bolsonaro, one of the first things he did was to cut out the deal Brazil had with Cuba because our Brazilian physicians don’t want to work in the countryside (they claim the pay is low or that municipalities may freeze payment over months) but at the same time, they didn’t wanted anybody else in that market-share (in this case, Cuban doctors).
So it is all shitty situations around and no one is a saint.
I hope it does satisfy your desire for a “nobody is a saint”, but, keep in mind that in terms of actual harm, US and Russia are the greatest danger right now.
US and Russia together have around 90% of nuclear warheads of the world.
If they even (hypothetically) join political forces and “work as one country”, then they could bomb whatever the fuck of whatever country with almost no pushback.
Though I still think that America is more trigger happy (pun intended) than Russia.
brazil (my country too, eae paizao) has been a colony for most of it’s history since the portuguese came here. first to the europeans to have our gold and natural resources, then for the US to have our consumer market and natural resources for very cheap, so they can feed their industries and markets.
a lot of the economic policy we are applying RIGHT NOW (such as the teto de gastos implemented since michel temer) are IMF impositions, which is controlled by the US.
this is essentially what makes us deindustrialized and dependent on foreign goods, and is making our public services so bad, which is the whole point of making us a colony in neoliberal capitalism. so they can come in to the “open” market and dominate everything unfairly.
we (the global south) are also doing most of the work to make western companies and their profits possible:
my last sources of employment put me to work 6 days a week (no famoso 6 por 1, disfarçado) earning a comparatively low salary to enrich us and european multinationals.
bolsonaro was literally sponsored by the CIA and planned by steve bannon to align us with the US and try to put us in line. remember how he “patriotically” simped so hard for the US throughout his term?
lula’s admin is not much different in practice by the way. just ideologically more aligned with neoliberal capitalists than fascists. the best we can hope from him in terms of materially improving our lives right now is putting us closer to BRICS.
our country doesn’t suck because brazilians suck, as a lot of reactionary right wing brazilians like to say. it sucks because of us imperialism.
because it’s them bombing and propagandizing and financing the coups. a lot of it has even been openly admitted to by the CIA.
european countries do it too, but they are allowed to. colony capitalism is imposed on most countries by the aforementioned violence, not chosen democratically.
Would be harder to explain it away if they weren’t brutal undemocratic regimes though
They aren’t though.
Cuba passed a new constitution by referendum in 2019 with 90%+ in favor.
A common perspective I’ve heard here in Vietnam is “socialism means the government has to represent everyone”. (Another common perspective is that the party is openly corrupt and not meaningfully democratic. Those typically aren’t held by the same people)
Most every Chinese would tell you 1. Democracy is important. 2. The CPC represents my views via democracy.
Would be harder to explain it away if they weren’t brutal undemocratic regimes though
don’t be silly. the most brutal and undemocratic country in the world is the us.
Erm, Somalia anyone?
african countries are still bad mostly because of the empire’s imperialism.
What relevance does the US have here
its literally the country pulling the lever in the meme, AND the one bombing or propagandizing against others trying to do things differently.
Why do you think it’s the US specifically and none of all the other capitalist countries?
Maybe because of this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
No need to read the entire article. Just skim through it a bit.
Btw, I can attest that the 1964 regime change in Brazil was real because I live here and we study the military dictatorship period in middle/high school and the theme is still relevant to this day (hence why we jailed Bolsonaro). (Edit: I forgot to mention that the reveal that 1964 had a hand from operation condor is recent. it was just a “leftist hoax” before but, “today”, the papers of US involvement in Brazil’s coup made the “leftist hoax” not be a hoax anymore)
We will need to wait a a few more decades before going public that US also interfered with our politics on the impeachment of Dilma and raise of Bolsonaro to power.
But at least Obama government bugging Dilma’s phone was true
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/7/5/us-spied-on-brazilian-president-and-top-officials
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/246869-wikileaks-nsa-spied-on-brazils-president/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-25441408 (Angela Merkel was another target for spionage from NSA).
Also, did anyone ever mentioned that the only country who used nukes in wars up to this day was US? the country that bombed 2 civilians cities for “research purposes”?
If Russia and France didn’t got their bombs in time, I can almost assure you that history would be different a lot of other countries would receive radioactive democracy blessings from US intead of the “boring” democracy US employs in the world nowadays.
It just seems so US centric that it’s always the US this the US that, there’s like the whole rest of the world too but the discussion always is “socialist country do something bad” “well what about the US???”. Like goddamn
then you go about
Can you first decide if you are talking about capitalist countries (as stated first) or socialist countries? Or are you going to be moving goalposts?
I wrote a direct and on the point answer on why do some people think it is US specifically.
As pointed out, US backed coups and regime changes (unless you want to argue that these facts are untrue).
Now, if you want to go about other capitalist countries, then France and UK have their hands on some regime changes as well over the years.
Although this wkipedia entry doesn’t look as bad as the US’ one, only a fool would think that France has good intention about their interference in the middle east:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_France#Middle_East
Even my country, Brazil, has some dirt on it by being an economical powerhouse among Latin America.
We did try to make comercial relations that mixed both the style of EU (Mercosul) with our neighbors and also similar to China-african countries relation as we did with Cuba by bringing Cuban physicians to work here while we helped them economically (but I’m sure there was some strings attached. we aren’t saints and nor do we pretend to be the savior of free democratic world).
But we do know that, if left unchecked, we could derail again into being imperialist or into being a dictatorship (again, we just jailed Jair Bolsonar for trying a coup d’etat to make another military dictatorship in the shape of the 1964 that happened).
Speaking of Bolsonaro, one of the first things he did was to cut out the deal Brazil had with Cuba because our Brazilian physicians don’t want to work in the countryside (they claim the pay is low or that municipalities may freeze payment over months) but at the same time, they didn’t wanted anybody else in that market-share (in this case, Cuban doctors).
So it is all shitty situations around and no one is a saint.
I hope it does satisfy your desire for a “nobody is a saint”, but, keep in mind that in terms of actual harm, US and Russia are the greatest danger right now.
US and Russia together have around 90% of nuclear warheads of the world.
If they even (hypothetically) join political forces and “work as one country”, then they could bomb whatever the fuck of whatever country with almost no pushback.
Though I still think that America is more trigger happy (pun intended) than Russia.
brazil (my country too, eae paizao) has been a colony for most of it’s history since the portuguese came here. first to the europeans to have our gold and natural resources, then for the US to have our consumer market and natural resources for very cheap, so they can feed their industries and markets.
a lot of the economic policy we are applying RIGHT NOW (such as the teto de gastos implemented since michel temer) are IMF impositions, which is controlled by the US.
this is essentially what makes us deindustrialized and dependent on foreign goods, and is making our public services so bad, which is the whole point of making us a colony in neoliberal capitalism. so they can come in to the “open” market and dominate everything unfairly.
we (the global south) are also doing most of the work to make western companies and their profits possible:
(source)
my last sources of employment put me to work 6 days a week (no famoso 6 por 1, disfarçado) earning a comparatively low salary to enrich us and european multinationals.
bolsonaro was literally sponsored by the CIA and planned by steve bannon to align us with the US and try to put us in line. remember how he “patriotically” simped so hard for the US throughout his term?
lula’s admin is not much different in practice by the way. just ideologically more aligned with neoliberal capitalists than fascists. the best we can hope from him in terms of materially improving our lives right now is putting us closer to BRICS.
our country doesn’t suck because brazilians suck, as a lot of reactionary right wing brazilians like to say. it sucks because of us imperialism.
because it’s them bombing and propagandizing and financing the coups. a lot of it has even been openly admitted to by the CIA.
european countries do it too, but they are allowed to. colony capitalism is imposed on most countries by the aforementioned violence, not chosen democratically.
They aren’t though.
Cuba passed a new constitution by referendum in 2019 with 90%+ in favor.
A common perspective I’ve heard here in Vietnam is “socialism means the government has to represent everyone”. (Another common perspective is that the party is openly corrupt and not meaningfully democratic. Those typically aren’t held by the same people)
Most every Chinese would tell you 1. Democracy is important. 2. The CPC represents my views via democracy.
Lay off the kool aid
What’s that