It just seems so US centric that it’s always the US this the US that, there’s like the whole rest of the world too but the discussion always is “socialist country do something bad” “well what about the US???”. Like goddamn
Why do you think it’s the US specifically and none of all the other capitalist countries
then you go about
It just seems so US centric that it’s always the US this the US that, there’s like the whole rest of the world too but the discussion always is “socialist country do something bad” “well what about the US???”. Like goddamn
Can you first decide if you are talking about capitalist countries (as stated first) or socialist countries? Or are you going to be moving goalposts?
I wrote a direct and on the point answer on why do some people think it is US specifically.
As pointed out, US backed coups and regime changes (unless you want to argue that these facts are untrue).
Now, if you want to go about other capitalist countries, then France and UK have their hands on some regime changes as well over the years.
Although this wkipedia entry doesn’t look as bad as the US’ one, only a fool would think that France has good intention about their interference in the middle east:
Even my country, Brazil, has some dirt on it by being an economical powerhouse among Latin America.
We did try to make comercial relations that mixed both the style of EU (Mercosul) with our neighbors and also similar to China-african countries relation as we did with Cuba by bringing Cuban physicians to work here while we helped them economically (but I’m sure there was some strings attached. we aren’t saints and nor do we pretend to be the savior of free democratic world).
But we do know that, if left unchecked, we could derail again into being imperialist or into being a dictatorship (again, we just jailed Jair Bolsonar for trying a coup d’etat to make another military dictatorship in the shape of the 1964 that happened).
Speaking of Bolsonaro, one of the first things he did was to cut out the deal Brazil had with Cuba because our Brazilian physicians don’t want to work in the countryside (they claim the pay is low or that municipalities may freeze payment over months) but at the same time, they didn’t wanted anybody else in that market-share (in this case, Cuban doctors).
So it is all shitty situations around and no one is a saint.
I hope it does satisfy your desire for a “nobody is a saint”, but, keep in mind that in terms of actual harm, US and Russia are the greatest danger right now.
US and Russia together have around 90% of nuclear warheads of the world.
If they even (hypothetically) join political forces and “work as one country”, then they could bomb whatever the fuck of whatever country with almost no pushback.
Though I still think that America is more trigger happy (pun intended) than Russia.
Not disagreeing with you any bit, but I want to clarify that by “Brazil being imperialistic” I meant how we expanded our territory during the 1800s and our “most recent war” at Paraguay around late 1800
I don’t disagree with you that we were and are exploited, but we surely expanded our territory by a lot of land-grabbing in those wars (even tho I recognize these were old times).
In that specific sense that I meant we once were imperialistic (Sem falar que Dom Pedro era imperador né?! hahahaha!)
It just seems so US centric that it’s always the US this the US that, there’s like the whole rest of the world too but the discussion always is “socialist country do something bad” “well what about the US???”. Like goddamn
then you go about
Can you first decide if you are talking about capitalist countries (as stated first) or socialist countries? Or are you going to be moving goalposts?
I wrote a direct and on the point answer on why do some people think it is US specifically.
As pointed out, US backed coups and regime changes (unless you want to argue that these facts are untrue).
Now, if you want to go about other capitalist countries, then France and UK have their hands on some regime changes as well over the years.
Although this wkipedia entry doesn’t look as bad as the US’ one, only a fool would think that France has good intention about their interference in the middle east:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_France#Middle_East
Even my country, Brazil, has some dirt on it by being an economical powerhouse among Latin America.
We did try to make comercial relations that mixed both the style of EU (Mercosul) with our neighbors and also similar to China-african countries relation as we did with Cuba by bringing Cuban physicians to work here while we helped them economically (but I’m sure there was some strings attached. we aren’t saints and nor do we pretend to be the savior of free democratic world).
But we do know that, if left unchecked, we could derail again into being imperialist or into being a dictatorship (again, we just jailed Jair Bolsonar for trying a coup d’etat to make another military dictatorship in the shape of the 1964 that happened).
Speaking of Bolsonaro, one of the first things he did was to cut out the deal Brazil had with Cuba because our Brazilian physicians don’t want to work in the countryside (they claim the pay is low or that municipalities may freeze payment over months) but at the same time, they didn’t wanted anybody else in that market-share (in this case, Cuban doctors).
So it is all shitty situations around and no one is a saint.
I hope it does satisfy your desire for a “nobody is a saint”, but, keep in mind that in terms of actual harm, US and Russia are the greatest danger right now.
US and Russia together have around 90% of nuclear warheads of the world.
If they even (hypothetically) join political forces and “work as one country”, then they could bomb whatever the fuck of whatever country with almost no pushback.
Though I still think that America is more trigger happy (pun intended) than Russia.
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Not disagreeing with you any bit, but I want to clarify that by “Brazil being imperialistic” I meant how we expanded our territory during the 1800s and our “most recent war” at Paraguay around late 1800
(btw, I had to search the date and found that our last “recent” territorial war was probably the Acre war (1899), a few years after Paraguay war – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Brazil )
I don’t disagree with you that we were and are exploited, but we surely expanded our territory by a lot of land-grabbing in those wars (even tho I recognize these were old times).
In that specific sense that I meant we once were imperialistic (Sem falar que Dom Pedro era imperador né?! hahahaha!)
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