Want to ignore 26 laws to destroy protected wildlife refuge in order to build Trump’s wall for him? Sure! No problem!
Want to do anything that might benefit the poor? “No you stupid progressive. This must be your first election because you don’t understand how anything works. Everyone knows that we need a quorum of both houses to convene in a graveyard at midnight under a blood moon on the third Tuesday of the month, in accordance with the infield fly rule. Then, we wait for the appearance of the Great Pumpkin, so that we may know how to proceed.”
Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
Cool. The talking points are out.
I know, this thread was crazy without any real answers. At least now there’s legislative and executive record out there.
Yeah, now there’s excuses for waiving 26 laws in order to enforce one of Trump’s laws. Hooray.
Just one excuse, the law that Congress won’t repeal since they’re down with the wall, but yea.
Well, as long as you’re honest that you’re making excuses.
As far as “excuses” go, respecting the Constitution and the legislative process are pretty good ones.
Spoken like a true John Oliver, bravo and agreed
Well, my main concern regarding the border wall no matter who is trying to build it, is the destruction of protected wildlife refuge and habitat, being that I’m an environmental conservationist. It pains me to hear about wild-lands and woodlands being clear-cut in the name of greed or something that doesn’t make much sense.
I live not too far from the section of wall Biden is gonna build for Trump. I worry about the ocelots.
Student loans: I sleep
Title 42 + building new border walls: Real shit?
Did you miss todays announcement about student loans relief?
Yes! What was it? Oh my god I hope they’re actually gonna do something that affects me for once
The Biden administration has approved debt relief for an additional 125,000 student loan borrowers, totaling $9 billion in forgiveness, the White House said Wednesday.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/04/politics/biden-student-loan-debt-forgiveness/index.html
That is literally just them correcting admistrative errors not new relief
The only thing that applies to me here is the new SAVE IDR plan. But hey, it still lowers my monthly payment a little bit AND let’s payments actually go to principal instead of just shaving off interest. It’s not nothing.
I would still like to see full debt relief, but I think that has to be a matter of legislation if I understand correctly. And I’ll take baby steps over nothing at all.
Can’t find any mention of that. As far as we know this is new relief.
Its literally in the article you linked
And its also fucking nothing. A drop in the bucket compared to the $10,000 promised to all. “Much supreme court” we know damn well there’s more he can do
… it’s literally not. You’re taking a single paragraph out of context. I’m assuming what you’re reading is:
The cancellations announced Wednesday come through three different existing debt relief programs that have been plagued with problems in the past. The White House is conducting what it calls “fixes” to a “broken student loan system."
They are also new cancellation through existing programs. They are not just administrative errors.
I’ll go ahead and paste the rest of the article’s text since apparently so many people are happy to vote without clicking.
Washington CNN —
The Biden administration has approved debt relief for an additional 125,000 student loan borrowers, totaling $9 billion in forgiveness, the White House said Wednesday.
The announcement comes just days after federal student loan payments restarted after a three-plus year pause.
Though the Supreme Court struck down President Joe Biden’s hallmark student loan forgiveness program, which promised up to $20,000 in debt relief for low- and middle-income borrowers, the administration has continued to find other ways to provide debt relief.
The cancellations announced Wednesday come through three different existing debt relief programs that have been plagued with problems in the past. The White House is conducting what it calls “fixes” to a “broken student loan system.”
An additional 53,000 borrowers will receive debt cancellation under the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program, which wipes away remaining student loan debt after qualifying public sector workers make 10 years’ worth of monthly payments.
Nearly 51,000 borrowers, who have been in repayment for at least 20 years, are getting relief thanks to a recount of their past payments. The administration has found that these borrowers already qualified for student loan forgiveness but were missing out because of past administrative errors.
And nearly 22,000 borrowers who have a total or permanent disability have now been approved for an automatic debt discharge through a data match with the Social Security Administration.
Biden, who made a campaign pledge to cancel some student loan debt, spoke about his administration’s recent efforts on Wednesday. His remarks were, in part, an effort by the White House to draw a contrast with the Republican-driven chaos on Capitol Hill, where Republican Rep. Kevin McCarthy was ousted as House speaker Tuesday.
“This kind of relief is life changing for individuals and their families, but it’s good for our economy as well. By freeing millions of Americans from the crushing burden of student debt, it means they can go and get their lives in order,” Biden said.
“They can think about buying a house, they can start a business, they can be starting a family. This matters, it matters to their daily lives,” he added.
A White House official said that the new discharges bring the total approved debt cancellation to $127 billion for nearly 3.6 million borrowers so far during Biden’s time in office.
“For years, millions of eligible borrowers were unable to access the student debt relief they qualified for, but that’s all changed thanks to President Biden and this administration’s relentless efforts to fix the broken student loan system,” Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona said in a statement.
He added that the announcement “builds on everything our administration has already done to protect students from unaffordable debt, make repayment more affordable, and ensure that investments in higher education pay off for students and working families.” In this June 2019 photo, a student works in the library at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia.
What happens if you don’t pay your student loans?
The Biden administration has also made efforts to make monthly student loan payments more affordable. This month, about 28 million borrowers will be required to make payments for the first time since accounts were frozen under the Trump administration to help people struggling financially due to the Covid-19 pandemic.
This summer, the administration launched a new repayment program that promises to lower bills for millions of borrowers. And a recently released Department of Education rule, which is set to take effect next year, aims to keep tuition at for-profit colleges and career programs in check.
The Biden administration is also pursuing another pathway to providing some student debt relief, but it’s not clear who would be eligible or how much debt would be canceled. Last week, the Department of Education said a potential new program could focus on certain groups of borrowers, like those who have seen their balances grow larger than what was originally borrowed despite making payments.
This pathway requires the Department of Education to undertake a formal rule-making process, which typically takes months or even years – and could still face legal challenges
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So because it’s not the best and greatest relief it shouldn’t be done according to you?
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I can’t believe people here being so single minded. These are complex issues, each requiring their own solutions. Both things can be true. Biden is fighting student loans and illegal unchecked immigration is an issue, that he is trying to solve.
Applying for asylum shouldn’t be illegal. Unless you are Trump or Biden and you want play politics with immigration.
illegal unchecked immigration is an issue
Is it? I seriously don’t know.It is only illegal because of laws, change the laws and it suddenly is not illegal anymore.
And if we want a Dem to win in 2024 then doing something about the number one concern in southern states is a good move
Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
What? From union buster segregationist eulogizing Joe?
Jim Crow Joe
We’re building the wall, Jack
Chocolate chocolate chip!
My first guess is that it was something they had to agree to as part of a deal. Like to keep the government open or something like that. Could very well be wrong though.
This was my guess as well but neither the linked source nor any other one I can find explain exactly why he did it.
It just feels so out of left field for the administration. I’m not saying the Biden administration is perfect cause its not, but border walls are not something he has ever given any indication of having as a priority.
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I mean, he didn’t do anything on it for almost three years, so I’d say it wasn’t really a priority
Fair point. Which is why it seems so odd.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
Found this. Basically the claim here is that funds were allocated to this project, and although some of those funds were redirected, congress never deallocated the rest, and therefore they have to continue to be used. I’m not totally convinced but it’s a more nuanced take than the comments here.
Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
Yeah and I can’t wait to see Republicans complain about this anyway.
Then: “Wahhhh! Democrats don’t care about the border!”
Now: “Wahhhh! Democrats are hypocrites, they break laws to be racist!”
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they did. That’s all their platform is. That and hate
Won’t a wall, supposing it’s somewhat effective at mitigating unlawful entry over the surface, simply encourage even more risky behavior such as (more?) tunneling and/or attempts at entering via the Gulf?
Also, for cat lovers out there, you might want to note this detail that just adds to the suffering this will perpetuate:
Concern is shared with environmental advocates who say structures will run through public lands, habitats of endangered plants and species like the Ocelot, a spotted wild cat.
Finally, wouldn’t the more modern, humane, and fiscally responsible solution to this whole issue be migration reform such that people can more easily, legally enter the country? More people become citizens, more tax revenue, governments’ budgets may still be tight but more manageable (supposing they continue to insist on avoiding taxing businesses more).
Don’t get me wrong, though, I realize a big part of why it’s not being addressed that way is related to fearmongering, with another big part being exploited migrant labor.
Fun fact, we closed the southern border because of racism in the 1800s. Before then, people could travel freely, and it wasn’t a problem in the slightest.
Considering that most illegal immigration happens by people overstaying a visa, not crossing the border, this is mostly performative.
Or at least that was true a few years ago. I don’t know if it’s changed at all.
Looks like a legacy baby hands decision, not a biden decision: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
Why??? We’re experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs nobody wants to do and there is an entire wave of people ready to get their foot in the door in our country. They’re not criminals either, all the people I know who are immigrants from Spanish speaking countries are kind, practical, outgoing, intelligent and hard workers- they definitely know how to party too. I wish more people would learn Spanish so we could fix this disconnect between the US and its neighbors.
We’re experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs nobody wants to do
We’re experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs no one wants to do AT THE WAGES THE EMPLOERS WANT TO PAY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE VULNERABLE TO EXPLOITATION.
There’s not a shortage of workers, but of wages.
Except that US has an aging population and it’s going to get worse in future because the birth rates aren’t that high. Closing off border is going to fuck US in the long run.
Yeah, but by then all the old people making the decisions will have milked the system dry and died.
Oh I agree the closing off the border is dumb. Only a tiny fraction of illegal immigration is over the border anyways: the vast majority is people overstaying Visa’s.
But the whole “aging population” issue is just more propaganda from corporate interests to try to find ways to get more workers and continue to suppress wages.
Why is the population aging in the first place? No one can afford to have children.
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Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
Thank you for sharing sources - it got real fucking quiet after these links lmao.
Haha, for sure. There was so much “clever zingers” getting thrown around that didn’t add up logically or even hypothetically. Shout out to OlPatchy2Eyes, who found this link first but got buried in all of the comments and one uppers.
I just redistributed it to anybody who asked “why is this happening?”
Can you please provide a source for Biden repeatedly asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds?
Oh, Whitehouse.gov has an actual timeline.
TLDR, day he became president, Jan 2021, He terminated wall funding he had legal control over, that’s what I mentioned about the money going back to the DOD, called for Congress to reallocate cheeto wall funding, that request has been active for 3 years, and there’s an official reiteration by the white house for Congress to cancel Cheeto wall funding.
Thanks!
For sure, have a good one
This one is with an interview of Biden:
Hopefully, they at least switched contractors.
Haha, I doubt it. It’s the same law from 4 years ago so everything is probably all the same.
Are you referring to a specific debacle with the contractors, or just the fact that the walls fell apart so quickly and were immediately rendered ineffective after wasting billions of dollars building them?
I just found this thread and tracked down the original for you.
Which explicitly states the same language, but from 2019.
Oh, yeah, that’s what I’m saying. It’s the exact same law from 2019
yep!
Well, the contractors that the trump administration used were just bratva fronts. So I would hope that we’re at least not giving anymore money to violent pedophiles.
Oh, I don’t know anything about this. Do you mind giving a little exposition or throwing up a source I can read? Thanks
Wouldn’t it be better if immigration was easier? That takes away the argument of illegals taking jobs blah blah.
To take it away from the list of topics Trump can run with…
What a narrow view when one looks at historic pay adjusted for inflation. Your view literally supports a lower quality of life for everyone not willing to work for a slave wage, that illegal immigrants are willing to do.
“Nothing will fundamentally change”
According to government data, about 245,000 illegal entries have been recorded in this region during the current fiscal year.
This is an extremely complex issue, but let’s just consider that number for a minute.
That’s about 671 people every day. About 28 each hour. Damn.
Oh god oh fuck people moving across an imaginary line
Those bastards can’t speak American, and they’re taking all those jobs away that I’d never even consider doing!
Reserve army of labor. Don’t try to solve the problem by ridiculing it. Offer a better solution.
People are allowed to make jokes, especially about things they can’t control directly. Read the room.
You missed mine.
Whoops! Sorry.
Text can be tricky sometimes. Without tone of voice or body language, sometimes I don’t catch stuff.
And adding 0.081% to the population every year are stealing all the good jobs uh… checks notes, working in construction and on ranches where actual citizens usually don’t want to work anyway.
Jobs is just a thing people talked about but was never the actual issue. The issue has always been fear of change. Depending on the list you look at right now, Peso Pluma is between the #1 and #12 artist right now in music. There are areas of the country where knowing Spanish has become a near necessity to own a business.
Depending on how racist they are, it might be some #WhiteGenocide nonsense, or it might be that they have some honestly kind of legitimate concerns about changing culture, or they just don’t like seeing all the brown people around. It seems to vary a lot from person to person.
I’m not saying they’re right and I’m certainly not endorsing that way of thinking. I just think it’s important to understand the real reasons they’re all freaking out. It was never really jobs and always plain xenophobia.
That’s not an excuse to allow the wanton exploitation of migrant labor that does, whether you want to admit it or not, undercut US labor on the margins. Not to mention the tolerance of labor violations against undocumented workers undoubtedly trickles up to legal labor and harms a lot more workers than just the migrants.
Illegal border crossings are a serious problem and the proper solution is not to hand wave away conservative concerns about it. All that does is maintain the status quo wherein migrant laborers are kept in legal limbo, facilitating their continued exploitation. That’s bourgeois shit and if I wanted to get a little conspiratorial about it, I’d suggest that maybe that’s the whole point of the “Americans don’t want to do those jobs” rhetoric.
The proper solution is to legalize the migrants, get them documented, and protect them with US minimum wage and labor laws.
you are missing a key word, recorded. got to assume some arent counted which makes that number even higher, holy feck.
Or there’s one dude with a merry-go-round, making the number seem higher.
Old Spiders Georg
I’m just gonna leave it as a quote from the article. If the wording is messed up, it’s their problem. Good point, though!
So?
found the illegal immigrant
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It’s a huge problem in the towns and cities immediately on the other side of the border and that’s the primary concern here. Imagine where you live and 671 unhoused and unfed human beings walked into your town every. single. day. No local municipality in the world has the resources to deal with that. It has to be the federal government.
That’s not to suggest that building walls in the wilderness is an effective intervention. But it is an unfortunately popular one. It must be coupled with federal programs to receive, house, and find work for the people arriving at areas not blocked by a wall.
But the people living in those border towns don’t deserve to be burdened with a problem created by federal government policies. The feds need to fix the problem.
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The “harm reduction we just have to get him elected and then we’ll push him left” blue maga president everyone.
How about we have some proper immigration reform instead? Then we won’t have to waste money on stupid walls cause people will be less compelled to cross illegally.
“Make your laws more convenient for me or I’m going to break them”.
A lot of people enter the country and become legal citizens every day.
20 miles isn’t enough to cover any form of meaningful distance. I wonder what’s going on in that county for this to be pushed for, especially since the DHS didn’t release any actual details about it.
I suppose a fence would technically count as a wall.
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This is continuing baby hands legislation, not new biden legislation https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Starr County Judge Eloy Vera said it will start south of the Falcon Dam and go past Salineño, Texas.
There’s a lot of arroyos,” Eloy Vera, the county judge said, pointing out the creeks cutting through the ranchland and leading into the river.
Concern is shared with environmental advocates who say structures will run through public lands, habitats of endangered plants and species like the Ocelot, a spotted wild cat.
And it’s a horrific step backwards for the borderlands,” Laiken Jordahl, a southwest conservation advocate for the Center for Biological Diversity, said Wednesday afternoon.
The DHS decision on Wednesday contrasts the Biden administration’s posturing when a proclamation to end the construction on Jan. 20, 2021 stated, “building a massive wall that spans the entire southern border is not a serious policy solution.”
“After years of denying that a border wall and other physical barriers are effective, the DHS announcement represents a sea change in the administration’s thinking: A secure wall is an effective tool for maintaining control of our borders,” Dan Stein, president of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, said in a statement.
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Biden’s executive order to halt construction on the wall didn’t work too well, did it?
For reference, the Trump administration built 458 miles of wall.
Has Mexico sent a check yet? Maybe PayPal?
And how many illegal immigrants did that 458 mile wall stop?
Jack shit
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Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
