A.I. aside, we should get 4 day work weeks regardless.

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    employees in some sectors could easily make do with a 3 day work week, 4 hours per day, no payment reduction. all the rest is just surplus value being generated. however we know that the capitalists will never allow that, and that’s the reason we need to, while pushing for work week reductions, agitate the working class today in order to build the revolution of tomorrow.

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      Meanwhile my job as a phone jockey went from 500 employees to no hiring for 4 years to now 212 employees and calls are back to back with no hope of new job openings… also makes seniority rough as everyone is a veteran at this point.

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        Shit drives me nuts. I work for a service delivery organization and the last few years have seen us adopting a new platform that likes to talk up automation and efficiencies. Making things work is my job, but I don’t hesitate to tell folks that while we can help improve and change the jobs they do, they still have to have call center and field resources.

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      Yea more like if CEOs want their company to be more successful pay people overtime to work five days a week.

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    Thw American workers productivity has gone astronomically high without AI. We should have 4 day week yes but we need the money from all this productivity first.

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      We as a species could have arranged any kind of leisure society when we started using fossil fuels. The energy bonanza that allowed us to reach 8 billion people with chemically-boosted and machine-harvested food allows it.

      Of course, this means a flattening of the lifestyle, no more McMansions but also no more squalor.

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    I recall one of the ways to enforce a 4 day workweek was to enforce OT starting at 32 hours.

    You could keep working 40+ hrs a week but it would hit the owners wallets.

    Combine that with raising minimum wage and you’re getting closer to UBI.

    Neither one would help me I think being salary and around medium working class.

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    that’s nice marketing for bernie but we all know that won’t happen. not without the kind of revolutionary action that inspired our 8 hour working day, and the original “labor day.”

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    Something you should understand about the 4-day workweek.

    From the studies conducted so far we know it seems to increase overall productivity. Which means companies, or at least some, would make more money if they implemented a 4-day workweek. So then you may ask yourself: why haven’t they? Don’t they want to make more money?

    Not necessarily. It all comes down to relative wealth. A 4-day workweek would benefit them, but it would benefit regular people more. And so the divide in wealth/power/quality of life would shrink. So technically they’d be richer, but they’d feel poorer, because we’d get closer to their level, even if by just a bit.

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    and if extruded proof of work was meaningful work, something interesting would have happened by now

    if their little genies were real there’d be a good novel by now

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    All the productivity gains in the past have helped us reduced the work load so much, there’s no reason AI shouldn’t…
    Wait, that never happened, only people forcefully getting reductions in work time have ever gotten results.

    Also it’s still not clear whether AI makes any sense or not. Yes, I know it is useful to some, but once you consider all the externalities (which nobody ever does, because “not my problem”), it might not be such a great deal.

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        Not a speech from him without the obligatory ‘Hamas bad’ and ‘Pissrahell has the right to defend itself’.
        Voted against a ceasefire, etc…
        Has been a snake since forever yet the libs can’t seem to notice.
        And they call the Magats dumb.
        Really that banana republic is a lost cause. Time for it to go.