Yeah like, I can understand a hesitation around being directly involved in a war effort, but mate once you’ve opened your system up to the military you’re kinda already there.
Yeah, but Putin said he’d give me like $10 or whatever in rubles if I did it. Then he called me a chicken… And I’m no chicken and I wanted the $10 so I could get this month’s battle pass!
He literally was paid a shit-ton of money by the pentagon to provide service to the Ukranian military. He took the money. And then he’s like, “how could I have known they’d use it in WAR?”
It’s pretty obvious he got paid by the Russians to sabotage that operation. Which makes him an enemy agent against the US I guess since he sabotaged a military asset the US paid for.
He got paid to let Ukraine use starlink within Ukraines post 2014 borders to defend Ukraine land. Then when Ukraine tries to bomb a Russian navy fleet OUTSIDE OF UKRAINE’S BORDERS and it doesn’t work everyone gets mad. I’m all for trashing Elon when it’s due, and I trash him a lot, but he was literally playing by the established rules here.
Had he let the Ukrainians bomb the fleet, he would have directly went against the US militaries orders. I get we all want Russia to stop and whatnot, but (and I hate that I’m the one defending him and saying this) Elon didn’t do wrong here. The missles were flying correctly in starlink air, they hit the border, then stopped working. Also, this happened last year.
Perhaps if we got rid of borders.
Edit: I guess people didn’t see his username.
I will note, while I find my namesake’s story interesting, I do quibble on the benefits of bombardment by multiple-reentry thermonuclear warheads.
It’s definitely a controversial subject. But there may be some benefits to v2, like me not needing to wake up for work lol
So how does it feel to not have a country? To not have borders to define yourself against the world? (I guess seven nukes do make a clear border, huh?)
I believe you have the wrong psychopath in an experimental plane.
My bad, but its my duty to always reference it. (They mail me some fanta ever time I do it, which is wierd, i never gave them my address, and I’m afraid what will happen if i stop)
Mmmmm orange
Starlink is fucking fantastic, it’s Elon Musk who’s a sloppy Nazi cunt
It does have some downsides (orbital clutter in particular) but conceptually I agree
Orbital pollution and atmosphere pollution from the launches. All to avoid laying some fiber :/
I’d be ecstatic if ISPs laid more fiber where I live. But I’d be even happier if they laid any sort of internet cables at all to the outskirts of towns. Back where my family used to live (smaller town) there were plenty of houses on the outskirts of town that don’t have any internet unless they pay out the nose for satellite. It’s literally not worth the ISP’s money to lay any sort of cable out that way since there isn’t enough customer density for the amount of cable they’d need to lay.
The fun part is that the US tax payer already paid the ISPs to lay cable to those houses, but they just pocketed the money, didn’t lay the cable, and faced no consequences.
Which is why it is the role of the government to handle that. Are there streets ? Why are there streets? They aren’t worth it, right? So how come there are streets? Government can force ISP to lay the cables. “You want to lay any cable in that city? Then lay all of the cable in the region” easy
I wish. afaik in the USA, the major ISPs have been told by the government to expand internet coverage. Even got paid boatloads of money to do so. But the ISPs did jack diddly squat. So they got fined and that’s the end of the story as I know it.
Well… are streets private or public? Are you water pipes private or public? Just a little idea for public policy
Isn’t capitalism great? 👍
Don’t use your Chinese propaganda for that.
Almost every corner of Europe is capitalist as well, but they have better and faster (and sometimes even cheaper) internet than most of America.
It’s not capitalism, it’s greed and bribery.
Don’t use your Chinese propaganda for that.
Chinese propaganda? China is the most capitalistic countries of em all…
It’s not capitalism, it’s greed and bribery.
The government not building infrastructure and rather hand the task over to the private sector is not a problem of capitalism? Dude… It’s a prime example of downsides of capitalism and it goes hand in hand with greed and bribery. Don’t get me wrong because I think capitalism is a reality we live in and it has some upsides aswell.
I live in Germany and we have very bad internet compared to some eastern European country’s. That’s because the conservative party decided in the 80s that our internet would have to use copper instead of fiber optic cables.
20 years later we learned that decision was made because the private sector had huge interest in laying copper so they could sell cable TV.
i wish packet radio was fast enough that we could avoid isp’s altogether. not counting aredn since you need LOS to a nearby i-gate
I wonder if the launches produce more pollution overall than the facilities, trucks, excavators, and other equipment required to manufacture, lay, and maintain fiber.
Thats like saying wifi is just an excuse to avoid running some ethernet
Not really. My phone and laptop roam around the house, my house doesn’t roam around the street. My router also doesn’t need to be launched into space.
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It doesn’t really clutter orbits as they will deorbit unpowered in less than a decade.
the fact that there has to be a shitton of them is the clutter. Deorbiting them after their service life doesn’t change the fact that at any one point there’s a fuckton of satellites up there, messing up astronomy. And this is just the first of what will probably be several constellations.
Yes but see…
The users of starlink just pay for the costs Elon had to bring those satellites up there and keep them running.
The global costs aka total costs on society will be payed by us all.
Ehhhhhh.
Starlink has a major problem in durability as a result of the low orbit (required for low latency), meaning it’s extremely expensive in upkeep.
The satellites inability to talk to eachother, combined with the narrow transmission angle means the system scales very poorly and has numerous bottlenecks (both the satellite and the uplink station). Yes, Starlink is “working on it”, but the laser-link solution is very complex in terms of engineering.
Starlink has some amazing usecases, but those usecases can’t possible cover the cost. It runs almost entirely on subsidies and venture capital.
Sheeet, I never realised they can’t talk to one another.
Same, I thought that that’s what they do. I guess it was another of those melon idea talks about the future.
I think they were supposed to, kind of weird that they don’t already do so given that to fix the issue all the satellites need to be relaunched.
True
Using something I’ve built to destroy warships before they can launch cruise missiles at an apartment block?
Now I am become death, saviour of civilian power grids.
Yeah, because only the Good Guy Military uses it and they would never do anything bad 🙄
That’s an argument as old as time though
If only they hadn’t invented kitchen knives there wouldn’t be so many stabbings
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It isn’t a fallacy, it is just to point out that the military is going to use anything that will give them an edge. Whether we civilians use it or not.
Yeah, but that doesn’t mean we have to like or even approve of them abusing things meant for peaceful purposes.
Where’s the ‘abuse’, exactly?
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It’s a very similar problem on a larger scale.
Starlink isn’t designed to be military but it exists on the free market and can be used for military purposes so it is
Kitchen knives aren’t designed for stabbing but they’re out there for everyone so people are going to use them for stabbing
Is this Oppenheimer?
Man… I see Stargate, I fucking up vote 💯
Yes!!!
My le internet, it le networked interconnectively?
yes :(
What do you mean “my internet”?
Internet was purposely developed for military goals.
Elon-Meme 😅
When the military is using your ass as a front to install military hardware in space.
Wut
I’m guessing a conspiracy that Starlink is just a cover for the US military deploying oodles of satellites for great imperialism.
there was a very recent post from elon musk saying he denied the ukraine use of star link for a military purpose. One of the top governmental figures of Ukraine tagged Elon in a post later on stating how many people died because of Elon being a literal cunt.
I thought that’s what this post was about. Given the use of “your” in the meme text, I assumed it was Muskenheimer who was having the realization. So then the “oh no starlink bad” is maybe a diminutive response that is missing the point to people calling out Musk for being a cunt.
who funded starlink and who has ultima control over those satelites?
I’m aware that the US government has provided funding for Starlink, and that the US military is a customer. The conspiracy is that the Starlink company is itself a front and that US military has control. I don’t really care to debate this. You’re welcome to believe it if you want.
Sure the usa has never used milionaires as a front for anything…oh wait it actually has.
After all we learned from leaks over the last decades about tech companys being forced to allow backdoor acces to there servers, i think chance is high that us goverment agencys can make starlink do what ever they want and there is nothing that musk could do to stop them even if he wanted.
Do you really think the usa would pump that amount of mony into a project that has such an impact on global comunications just to then give musk the key and lock themselfs out?
Sure the usa has never used milionaires as a front for anything
Never said they haven’t. I just said it’s a conspiracy [theory] in the specific case of Starlink. If you can prove it’s the case here too then great for you.
Do you really think the usa would pump that amount of mony into a project that has such an impact on global comunications just to then give musk the key and lock themselfs out?
Seems like there’s not much point in the US military secretly being the owners and in control if they couldn’t stop him from shutting off the service when a country we’ve given billions of dollars worth of military equipment needed it as part of their defensive efforts.
Have a nice day.
If they’ve picked Musk as their front, they’re too incompetent to be worth worrying about.
The motherfucker used his unparalleled view of the battle lines in Ukraine to see that Ukraine (an ally) was launching an offensive against the Russian navy (an enemy), and shut down access, stopping the offensive. The Russian fleet went on to attack Ukrainian civilians, killing children. Musk has also been meeting with Putin. The only reason he’s not being tried for treason is the lack of a formal declaration of war against Russia. Musk is incredibly erratic and easily influenced. The government has to deal with him on some matters, but if they’re not doing whatever they can to eliminate their reliance on that traitorous moron, they’re not going to be capable of getting that mystery hardware to space, let alone using it.
