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“I’m fine with Asians, but Russians are Asians. They have a completely different culture, vision. Our key difference from them is humanity.”
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here’s the video of him speaking, anyone can feel free to try and get someone to fact check the translation for you: https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1687461201565868032
Excellent foot in mouth moment.
Russophobia isn’t real tho
Don’t you guys think all Ukrainians are nazis?
No? I think there is a Nazi problem, but that’s it.
Though uh, the Ukrainian security chief is sounding like a Nazi here…
Again thanks for highlighting exactly my point. Baseless nonsense as cconsumed from russia one. You guys are amazing.
He’s literally saying Russians = Asians = subhuman
Like???
I’ve seen one article parroted by Russian propaganda engines saying thus. Never seen a video or any other sources saying it.
https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1687461201565868032
here’s the video, can’t confirm the translation of course but if you want to try and find a russian speaker to translate this for you to disprove us go ahead
*crickets*
Saving this comment for later whenever Western press gets around to covering the story.
Supposedly he said it on live TV. That’d be a hell of a thing for Russia to lie about lol
Oh yeah- like russia doesn’t lie about obvious things. Bombing civilians at railways, bombing civilians sheltering under theaters, bombing civilians in maternity wards, bombing civilians in retirement homes etc etc etc.
I’d be willing to bet money someone is deliberately misquoted or changing context of somethig said.
Now you see, THIS is whataboutism. The point here is that we have a leader in the current Ukrainian government who comes out and says that he considers Russians to be subhuman. You come up with a baseless claim that we think all Ukrainians are nazis. We think that the current government of Ukraine is dangerously far right and descended from actual nazi collaborators. You don’t want to hear it because it doesn’t fit your world view.
You might also be interested that I translated it using AI. Results weren’t great, but language used around the 26 second mark matches the translation in the tweet pretty well. You can do this yourself instead of just calling it fake and lashing out at the left.
I translated it using AI
I’m interested in how far we’ve come with this. What software did you use?
I didn’t spend too much time on it, and it could probably be done better. I just used free web tools to download the video and autogenerate subtitles. The text at the section I mentioned says this:
с азиатами наизусть меньше и меньше культура и
ценности нашей ключевой минус России.
Fed into google translate, we get this:
with Asians by heart less and less culture and
the values of our key disadvantage of Russia.
Again, results weren’t great (which is why I didn’t post them the first time. Someone with more time on their hands could do better). But it hits a lot of the same words as the native speaker’s quote, and it seems to indicate something racist is being said. The first auto-subtitler I used was completely useless, the second was “good enough” for my purposes. I have no reason at all to believe that the original translation was fake, and this didn’t contradict the original translation.
If I were to try a third time, I would probably upload it to youtube and try using their tools, but I didn’t really want to upload it to my youtube account. Google’s natural language processing is pretty good.
Buddy reddit/r/ russia was full of you like minded nutjobs calling Ukrainians nazis. There’s tons of video clips of the same. Your poorly translated version is NOT what he’s saying. Context matters and you getting a snippet of it is not what’s being said.
Being a nutjob is when you don’t erase all your pre-2022 memories of all the western reporting about Ukraine’s Nazi problem
Will you listen to yourself projecting European raciasm onto your enemies? No one has ever said Ukrainians are Nazis nor have they have ever said the existence of Nazis in Ukraine is a function of their culture and their genetics. What we have said is that Ukraine has neo-Nazi movements in it that trace their lineage all the back to the Third Reich and that the US has armed, funded, trained, and organized these Nazi groups because they are useful to US strategic aims. We then couple that with the historical fact that the US has voted against the resolutions condemning the glorification of Nazis at the UN multiple times, and we show how the “democratic” government that was ushered in on a US-backed coup incorporated the Nazi elements, giving them legitimacy, political cover, access to more weapons, training, and funding, and sending a clear signal to the world that Nazism is both acceptable and useful in the battle for total European dominance of the region as part of the larger US project for total domination of the world, which the US inherited from European colonial powers.
The de-nazification that we wish to see in Ukraine is the destruction of the support systems that enable these neo-Nazis to continue to operate, expand, recruit, and propagandize.
None of this is based on anything even resembling the racism of the West, and to suggest as much as to tell on yourself how much you believe the Western propaganda that everyone acts like the West. It’s just not true.
Am I drunk or is there literally just one (1) git arguing that “it’s totally not what it seems”? I guess the other downvooters don’t have anything to say. Truth hurts, I suppose.
Not drunk. You’re right that I’m th only one in here saying maybe you should actually look into the bit rather than dog piling onto some propaganda.
You must feel quite heroic
Probably about as much as you did typing that out.
Oh hey, you’re still here. Quickest keyboard in the west
Oh hey- so are you.
I mean it would look better for you if you were drunk. The fact that you make these comments sober makes it all the more hilarious.
Ok yog. As per usual you don’t have anything except some ad hominum bs. Anyone can see you history I don’t have to prove anything- you’ve done it to yourself already
At least learn what ad hominem is if you’re going to use it to try and sound smart. What people should be looking at is your post history. Now that’s what an actual propagandist shill looks like.
Lol. Oh really?
ad ho·mi·nem
adjective
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
prop·a·gan·dist Noun
a person who promotes or publicizes a particular organization or cause.
Which organization or cause am I promoting again? Meanwhile yours is full of anti west bullshit with terrible sources, easily disproven clickbait, and you constantly insulting anyone who dares take the 30 seconds it takes to dismantle your delusional ranting.
Ad hominem would be me saying you’re wrong because of your personal qualities. I’m saying you’re wrong and you’re deplorable not that you’re wrong because you’re deplorable. Ad hominem is actually what you’re doing. You’re trying to discredit my posts by making personal attacks on me, but you never engage with the actual content of my posts. Seems like you’ve taken the whole day here to make a clown of yourself, but failed to take the 30 seconds to address anything I said. Bye troll.
Oh yeah? I’ve already pointed out your posting of disinformation in previous comments. Your response? Blocking me because you knew I was right. Literally half the time you post something the second page of your own source completely discredits your original point. You post clickbait and don’t even bother to read it yourself clown.
I literally gave you the definition of ad hominem and you still fucked it up. You attack character- not position. You have made 0 counters to any arguments I’ve made. Purely attacking me personally. That’s literally the definition of ad hominem. And you literally havent made any attempt at a point in this discussion- so literally nothing to counter. So yeah- goodbye indeed troll. Again.
Just another mask off moment here.
The fact that yog is here and you guys are up voting a very well known propagandist is really my point.
Propaganda is when you assert that Asian people are people
You think Asian people aren’t people?
Propaganda is when you don’t think Asians are inherently inhumane
You think Asians are inherently inhumane? You sound more racist than anyone
That’s what the security chief believes.
Well… that’s definitely not what he said but ok.
You should read your comment when you’re sober and if you’re still not embarrassed enough to delete it then what else is there to say.
Get bent yog- you are a proven propagandist across multiple platforms.
Get bent
You know you’re allowed to swear on the internet, right? Cry louder, white supremacist propagandist, I think there are still some people who’s eyes aren’t rolling.
Yeah you can. I guess children feel they HAVE to all the time though.
Everyone I don’t like is a paid foreigner: The western liberal’s guide to political discussion
Like I said feel free to look at his history. I mean the literal hundreds of propaganda posts he puts out there speaks for itself. Anyway thus has been fun. You guys prove the point that your only here for the ruzzian propaganda. Enjoy your echo chamber
The fact that any opinion that dissents from the mainstream western political discourse is branded as “propaganda” by people the likes of you demonstrates the virulently xenophobic paranoia that plagues the west (and always has). You are too daft to understand that the person you are talking about is a communist, and his posts reflect his ideas, not the paid interests of a foreign power, the same way it would be idiotic to call you a Ukrainian propagandist for excusing the unapologetic racism of its government officials.
All I’m doing is countering the very obvious bad faith snippet that has been posted. That you frothing at the mouth ruzzian supporters keep spinning it as something it isn’t just proves you live in an echochamber
LMAO do you even listen to yourself. As proven propagandist, when do I get my Xi bucks already!
Hey buddy anyone can go review your profile to see the truth about you. Or look at you on mastodon, or really any platform as you are a one trick pony apparently
That’s right, I make my views clear and if that upsets you then it’s your problem.
Making your views clear is fine- you posting hundreds of anti-west propaganda woth little to no research and generally from very obviously biased sources is what makes you a propagandist
I got a pop-up virus warning when going to the link.
Yeah- this right here. Thank you for pointing out the propaganda you guys feast on daily. That was exactly my point. Oh except for the part where you said no one said Ukrainians are nazis- plenty of you definitely say that.
There is an extreme prevalence of Nazis in the post-Euromaidan Ukrainian government, military (e.g. Azov), etc.
That is not the same thing as saying “all Ukrainians are Nazis”
That’s just not true. The azov battalion HAD a problem with it but it was mostly dealt with prior to the current conflict. The rest of what you said is more Russian propaganda
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christopherm51/ukraine-russia-invasion-far-right-training
please man this is embarrassing, I will pick out some extremely concerning quotes if you want, but this was written literally the month right before the conflict went into full swing
Yeah?
1st) buzzfeed 2nd) the whole article is talking about the concern that the azov battalion could gain polotical/social favor by fighting for ukraine … like it did in 2014.
Yes the above battalion was fully of extremists. . Yes right up until the annexation of crimea they had been on a downward trajectory with regard to recruitment, socio and political power. After the intial conflicts in 2014 there was a a resurgence. The us military refused to work with anyone known to have been associated with the battalion and/or far right extremism- so there was kind of a whitewashing that went on internally.
Your war is literally the thing that is giving azov battalion more clout in Ukraine. Whereas if you’d just left it alone ukraine was on track to cleaning up corruption and extremism.
Which is more than likely exactly why russia invaded- the country was headed towards future stability and closer relations to Europe and the west.
Your war
also Azov didn’t even exist until 2014 wtf are you typing???
In the depressingly binary Marvel movie worldview of the liberal, the only reason not to uncritically kneel down and start kissing the sonnenrad is if you’re already kissing a framed photo of Vladmir Putin instead. Really goes to show why the US “Defense” Department was so eager to sponsor those flicks.
Technically correct- it didn’t as the azove group. It was a few different groups beforehand that was brought together. I don’t remember the names off hand but my point still stands. Russia invaded ukraine twice and that is what keeps azov as a relevant force.
so first you claim that
The azov battalion HAD a problem with it
which sounds like you saying that the azov battalion had a problem with nazis and then they got the nazis out of azov, and you would not be the first hapless liberal bootlicker I’ve seen say that because they read articles saying after February 2022. but whatever, I guess you mistyped and you meant that the various nazi groups banded together, and I’m supposed to read your mind and know you mistyped. I’m not arguing about what exactly was happening in 2014, I’m kinda tired of dealing with this
shit
Is there a point for us to come up with a response or will you just dismiss it as “Russian propaganda” while assuming everything US outlets say as fact?
Buddy I KNOW us media lies. I also know Russian media lies. I don’t follow US propaganda any more than I do Russian. Sorry you can’t see that for yourself.
I do speak to things I’ve seen and been involved with myself though. I spent significant time in Ukraine. Became familiar with alot of the politics involved.
