I’m here wondering if it will be a good time to switch over to Devuan

LOL. Do you really think that because that thing is supported for commercial distros like RHEL, it would have any impact on the Debians etc. of the world?

Two things can be true at once.

So Eastern Europeans are privileged and discriminated against in Western Europe at the same time? Whoa!

I guess class divisions and racism towards Eastern Europeans in my country are imaginary then.

It’s unmaintained the same way Debian would be. It’s a community repository.

It’s a “community” repository that’s enabled by default and subject to Ubuntu’s draconian version number freeze rules. Fedora isn’t. I already explained that. I suggest you scroll back up and read what I wrote and try to understand what I wrote.

Wrong.

I’m 100% right.

You can skip Pro and get the same experience you get with any other distro.

And that’s where you are wrong. Fedora etc. ship package updates for the entire support cycle. Ubuntu only for Main. Universe is left without formal support. Fedora etc. have no problems shipping updates. I already explained it to you. You just don’t understand.

Leap is two years. LMDE support ends soon after the newest version. Fedora gets 13 months after the newest version I believe.

And they do that without requiring anybody to sign up for a Pro plan. Ubuntu ships unmaintained software to people who don’t sign up for Pro. That’s a fact.

Client-side data collection is opt-in and open-source

You need to log in to use Ubuntu Pro. Obviously.

does the Fedora project even have an equivalent to universe?

No because all FOSS software distributed by Fedora is in the main repo.

Most people don’t care about snaps or the backend of the infrastructure that they download their app from

And that’s why they pass by distributions that make Flatpaks such a hurdle to use. Steam Deck sealed the fate of Snaps and handed Flatpak the victory. Steam Hardware & Software Survey shows a steady decline of Ubuntu in the last years.

Ubuntu is the most well known distro among the general public.

Not among all groups. Gamer, for example, mostly left Ubuntu behind already.

The most vehement Ubuntu proponents are 30+ olds who moved to Ubuntu 15 years ago and never ever broadened their horizon. That’s probably why much of Ubuntu’s community-created documentation is so outdated.

now I’m not sure about unity either.

Unity didn’t but its predecessor Netbook Launcher did.

Debian also doesn’t offer security upgrades for contrib and non-free. Only main is officially supported.

So Fedora and openSUSE are most superior. OK.

I can use a community for my OS?

Debian is a community.

Debian GNU/Linux is a non-commercial Linux distribution, ergo not a product.

Right, but if you’re after the level of “stability” that Canonical is offering, where are you getting it for free?

Fedora, Alma Linux, openSUSE Leap, LMDE,…

Debian is a community, not a product.

They also don’t provide those updates.

Fedora allows all updates that do not break compatibility. To update packages in Universe means adhering to overly zealous version number freeze policy, whereas leaf packages in Fedora can be updates without much fuss. I contributed a small number (only two or three) of updates to Fedora packages years ago. Nothing was a core package, only tiny stand-alone utilities, so the stuff that would be in Universe under Ubuntu, but they had new version numbers. Updates were accepted by the maintainers without much trouble.

I am a Fedora guy by the way.

So you should know that I’m right.

Ubuntu Pro is free for personal use on up to five machines.

If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product.

Debian is free for any use for an unlimited number of machines without corporate tracking which packages you install.

you can elect to sign up to Ubuntu pro without paying any money

Yes, home users can sign up for Ubuntu Pro for free which means repository access is tracked on an account level. How isn’t this more shitty than for example plain Debian?

This was always the case.

Yes, I know. So? Doesn’t change the fact that users of Debian/Fedora/… don’t have to sign up for a “Pro” service to get the same security updates.

Saying this is like screaming “I don’t know anything about Ubuntu except that I hate it!!!”

I posted a screenshot from Ubuntu’s own blog. So they hate themselves and lie to the world?