I’m not particularly happy with it, but I don’t loathe it. There’s a difference between being unhappy with your own country and holding water for dodgy places like China and Russia.
Russia and China are in completely different domains imo.
At least China is trying to do some good in the world (not out of the goodness of their own hearts, but because they want to build China’s China for cheap labour… And that’s ok).
I mean, in not arguing that China haven’t contributed to the world economy and helped us get access to cheap tech and consumer good, but I think it’s fair to criticise their approach to human rights.
For sure. Those problems are domestic, though, so to some degree it is a little hypocritical of us given the rather poor track record of North Americans and indigenous peoples.
As a Canadian, I do feel like me criticizing China for its treatment of some indigenous groups would be rather hypocritical given how Canada treated the First Nations people (the last residential school closed in 1997).
No country has a perfect history, go back far enough and we all have dark periods in how we’ve treated people. However that shouldn’t mean we can criticise countries who are still doing so now in what’s supposed to be a more progressive and enlightened world.
No country has a perfect history, go back far enough and we all have dark periods in how we’ve treated people.
Mate, this is not history. It’s right now. Unless you’re ten you should even remember shit like the start of bombing of Libya which goes beyond even local politics. How much dodgier is China compared to “The West” even if you do believe the Zenz conspiracy, when the big leader country of that has let Native life expectancy drop 10 years during the pandemic, or how even European indigenous cultures like the Catalan get jail for daring to make a referendum on independence?
That’s fair, but it just feels wrong to be criticizing other countries when we aren’t even doing enough for those who suffered in our own countries. It’s hypocritical.
I’m not particularly happy with it, but I don’t loathe it. There’s a difference between being unhappy with your own country and holding water for dodgy places like China and Russia.
Russia and China are in completely different domains imo.
At least China is trying to do some good in the world (not out of the goodness of their own hearts, but because they want to build China’s China for cheap labour… And that’s ok).
China doesn’t have cheap labor anymore, they have a aging population and no next generation taking over.
That’s why they need Africa lol
I mean, in not arguing that China haven’t contributed to the world economy and helped us get access to cheap tech and consumer good, but I think it’s fair to criticise their approach to human rights.
For sure. Those problems are domestic, though, so to some degree it is a little hypocritical of us given the rather poor track record of North Americans and indigenous peoples.
As a Canadian, I do feel like me criticizing China for its treatment of some indigenous groups would be rather hypocritical given how Canada treated the First Nations people (the last residential school closed in 1997).
It’s only hypocritical if you approve of it in Canada.
If we all stay silent on topics because our individual countries have deeply problematic pasts, then we all stay silent.
We can be vocal about it at home and abroad.
No country has a perfect history, go back far enough and we all have dark periods in how we’ve treated people. However that shouldn’t mean we can criticise countries who are still doing so now in what’s supposed to be a more progressive and enlightened world.
Mate, this is not history. It’s right now. Unless you’re ten you should even remember shit like the start of bombing of Libya which goes beyond even local politics. How much dodgier is China compared to “The West” even if you do believe the Zenz conspiracy, when the big leader country of that has let Native life expectancy drop 10 years during the pandemic, or how even European indigenous cultures like the Catalan get jail for daring to make a referendum on independence?
That’s fair, but it just feels wrong to be criticizing other countries when we aren’t even doing enough for those who suffered in our own countries. It’s hypocritical.
I’m British, we don’t really have an indigenous treatment issue. We exported that to you guys, lol.
SNP, Plaid Cymru, Sinn Féin have entered the chatlol very true