Le Pen is an ignorant bigot but she isn’t acting like Trump so I actually do think NR is figuring out its next electoral strategy/how to capitalize on its seats vs. plotting to overthrow a legitimate election and install a dictator.
Make no mistake, the rise of right wing groups is a major problem in Western Europe and people need to be careful. But France is not on the brink like the US is. Le Pen is not Trump.
LePen is much smarter than Trump, she’s also very patient. She knows that given the current state of things, she will get there eventually. Her party gained recognition and the right wing propaganda works like a charm.
The victory of the left is good but, we have cancer and I don’t think they’ll be enough to properly fight it, especially since they have roughly 3 years to the next presidential elections and only a relative majority. The ruling party has already started getting in the way of them forming a government.
No argument here. Which is why I said America is on the brink and France is not but I also specifically said that they are not out of the woods and the right is clearly planning their next moves. What France just did we needed to do in 2016 as part of a larger effort to stop the rise of right wing nationalists. I feel like all of this was pretty clear in my previous comment.
My comment wasn’t a criticism of yours, more like additional information 😁.
Here we can really feel that something is really not right. Given that France follows the US with roughly a ten year delay, I fear that our next elections might see the rise of something similar to trumpism.
As you said, we’re definitely not out of the woods yet…
I don’t think 2016 is the right comparison actually. It was not a presidential election, but more something akin to midterms I guess?
The true question now is 2027, which is the next presidential election. Since 2017 (and even before I’d say) the far right has been gaining influence year after year. They have been in the second round of the last two presidential elections, and with a margin that’s getting lower and lower. And even in those elections, they had a majority in the european elections, and they have more seats in congress than they had before this election. (Previous one was in 2022).
Tldr: they are gaining weight, and the next big potential moment which will probably look a lot like 2016 in the US will be the 2027 presidential election
I don’t know France policies but Trump isn’t the problem. The far right will continue to push us that direction if they have any amount of power. Once Trump is gone (hopefully) we need to keep voting every time. Never stop never stopping.
I’m not saying Trump is the end all be all of the problem, but he is the central figure and clearly super on board with overthrowing the government. If if Le Pen plotting the same thing, then she and her co-conspirators are a lot quieter about it that’s for sure.
I think it is reasonable to assume that everybody on Lemmy knows that Trump is not the only source of the issue. It gets tiresome seeing people repeat this over and over again. We all know there is a much larger issue here and every time somebody “informs people” that there is a larger issue, it’s a needless sidebar that isn’t meant to inform but to correct somebody on the Internet for the sake of correcting somebody and contributing.
So we’re clear I was agreeing with you. I don’t agree it’s a needless sidebar though. There’s plenty of “trump bad”, and he is, but more importantly it’s “republican bad” and I’ll continue to repeat that until that party is dissolved.
Le Pen is an ignorant bigot but she isn’t acting like Trump so I actually do think NR is figuring out its next electoral strategy/how to capitalize on its seats vs. plotting to overthrow a legitimate election and install a dictator.
Make no mistake, the rise of right wing groups is a major problem in Western Europe and people need to be careful. But France is not on the brink like the US is. Le Pen is not Trump.
LePen is much smarter than Trump, she’s also very patient. She knows that given the current state of things, she will get there eventually. Her party gained recognition and the right wing propaganda works like a charm.
The victory of the left is good but, we have cancer and I don’t think they’ll be enough to properly fight it, especially since they have roughly 3 years to the next presidential elections and only a relative majority. The ruling party has already started getting in the way of them forming a government.
No argument here. Which is why I said America is on the brink and France is not but I also specifically said that they are not out of the woods and the right is clearly planning their next moves. What France just did we needed to do in 2016 as part of a larger effort to stop the rise of right wing nationalists. I feel like all of this was pretty clear in my previous comment.
My comment wasn’t a criticism of yours, more like additional information 😁.
Here we can really feel that something is really not right. Given that France follows the US with roughly a ten year delay, I fear that our next elections might see the rise of something similar to trumpism.
As you said, we’re definitely not out of the woods yet…
My bad I misread your intent
I don’t think 2016 is the right comparison actually. It was not a presidential election, but more something akin to midterms I guess?
The true question now is 2027, which is the next presidential election. Since 2017 (and even before I’d say) the far right has been gaining influence year after year. They have been in the second round of the last two presidential elections, and with a margin that’s getting lower and lower. And even in those elections, they had a majority in the european elections, and they have more seats in congress than they had before this election. (Previous one was in 2022).
Tldr: they are gaining weight, and the next big potential moment which will probably look a lot like 2016 in the US will be the 2027 presidential election
I don’t know France policies but Trump isn’t the problem. The far right will continue to push us that direction if they have any amount of power. Once Trump is gone (hopefully) we need to keep voting every time. Never stop never stopping.
I’m not saying Trump is the end all be all of the problem, but he is the central figure and clearly super on board with overthrowing the government. If if Le Pen plotting the same thing, then she and her co-conspirators are a lot quieter about it that’s for sure.
I think it is reasonable to assume that everybody on Lemmy knows that Trump is not the only source of the issue. It gets tiresome seeing people repeat this over and over again. We all know there is a much larger issue here and every time somebody “informs people” that there is a larger issue, it’s a needless sidebar that isn’t meant to inform but to correct somebody on the Internet for the sake of correcting somebody and contributing.
So we’re clear I was agreeing with you. I don’t agree it’s a needless sidebar though. There’s plenty of “trump bad”, and he is, but more importantly it’s “republican bad” and I’ll continue to repeat that until that party is dissolved.
Oily oil. Buttery butter. Watery water. They are synonyms. But ok.
Yeah, I’ve had it with all the redundant pleonasms!
She’s ignorant about a lot of other things too
Knowledge is the light in the darkness of ignorance