With Ukraine’s military badly outnumbered by the invading Russians and desperately in need of more soldiers, villages like Makiv are being emptied of their fighting-age men.
I think that’s how the world works, and feels have nothing to do with it. The reality is that no great power will allow another great power to surround it with its proxies. So, either you think that there should be constant war between great powers, or you accept boundaries.
And do you feel like that is proper justification for invading and attacking countries, killing people?
But that shows that the current population is ≈37,9 million, pre-escalation (2021) ≈43,5 million, pre-war ≈45,1 million. (The total ever in 1992, ≈51,8 million.) Can you explain to me how your numbers prove that “most Ukrainians aren’t even in Ukraine anymore”?
E: Seems you’ve edited the comment
Let me rephrase that, most fighting age males have fled Ukraine at this point
Talk about moving the goalposts, eh. But anyway we can probably agree that “most Ukrainians aren’t even in Ukraine anymore” isn’t true then?
And do you feel like that is proper justification for invading and attacking countries, killing people?
I’ve already explained that feels have nothing to do with anything. I do however think it’s idiotic to provoke wars based on feels when the outcomes are obvious.
Talk about moving the goalposts, eh. But anyway we can probably agree that “most Ukrainians aren’t even in Ukraine anymore” isn’t true then?
I’ve already explained that feels have nothing to do with anything. I do however think it’s idiotic to provoke wars based on feels when the outcomes are obvious.
I was more thinking if you thought that Russia (or in other cases US) would be in the wrong in invading other countries in such situations and being against such wars.
misspoke
I mean, I did quote it back to you verbatim many times and we both made it amply clear that it was population we were talking about, you also talking about “population of Ukraine” and so on. So not sure I believe that instead of simply just having been wrong. But it’s fine either way.
I was more thinking if you thought that Russia (or in other cases US) would be in the wrong in invading other countries in such situations and being against such wars.
You’re just doing moralizing here which serve no practical purpose.
Do you really not understand that provoking wars simply results in mass death and suffering? Or perhaps you enjoy other people dying and suffering, I’m begging to think the latter is actually the case here.
I am against wars, and NATO provoked this war by pushing past Russia’s red lines. Russia responded the exact same way NATO would’ve responded if Russia was the one pushing into NATO. So, if you’re against senseless wars then you should be against NATO expansion.
I’m just surprised you’re against Russia’s war in Ukraine. I didn’t expect that.
Sometimes people get so hung up on their ideologies that they permit something for some people or side that they’d absolutely condemn for the other. It’s all too common. But I shouldn’t have assumed that was the case here.
And do you feel like that is proper justification for invading and attacking countries, killing people?
But that shows that the current population is ≈37,9 million, pre-escalation (2021) ≈43,5 million, pre-war ≈45,1 million. (The total ever in 1992, ≈51,8 million.) Can you explain to me how your numbers prove that “most Ukrainians aren’t even in Ukraine anymore”?
E: Seems you’ve edited the comment
Talk about moving the goalposts, eh. But anyway we can probably agree that “most Ukrainians aren’t even in Ukraine anymore” isn’t true then?
I’ve already explained that feels have nothing to do with anything. I do however think it’s idiotic to provoke wars based on feels when the outcomes are obvious.
Sure, I misspoke there.
I was more thinking if you thought that Russia (or in other cases US) would be in the wrong in invading other countries in such situations and being against such wars.
I mean, I did quote it back to you verbatim many times and we both made it amply clear that it was population we were talking about, you also talking about “population of Ukraine” and so on. So not sure I believe that instead of simply just having been wrong. But it’s fine either way.
You’re just doing moralizing here which serve no practical purpose.
Do you really refrain from calling out such invasions and wars because that “serve no practical purpose”? I find that surprising.
Do you really not understand that provoking wars simply results in mass death and suffering? Or perhaps you enjoy other people dying and suffering, I’m begging to think the latter is actually the case here.
I’m just saying I’m against such wars. Aren’t you?
I am against wars, and NATO provoked this war by pushing past Russia’s red lines. Russia responded the exact same way NATO would’ve responded if Russia was the one pushing into NATO. So, if you’re against senseless wars then you should be against NATO expansion.
I’m just surprised you’re against Russia’s war in Ukraine. I didn’t expect that.
Sometimes people get so hung up on their ideologies that they permit something for some people or side that they’d absolutely condemn for the other. It’s all too common. But I shouldn’t have assumed that was the case here.