With Ukraine’s military badly outnumbered by the invading Russians and desperately in need of more soldiers, villages like Makiv are being emptied of their fighting-age men.
You’re arguing with a person driven by anti-Western/NATO viewpoints; you’ll never get a fair response. Even if they find something to back up their claims, it’ll be a biased source. Expect sputnik news or some other direct Russian propaganda source. Just gotta get used to that on Lemmy.
Edit: Removed the “t” word as apparently that’s a slur now.
Even if they find something to back up their claims, it’ll be a biased source.
There is literally no such thing as an unbiased source, and the core bias of the corporate media is the bias of the capitalist class.
The whole concept of the “left” or ”right“ “bias” being inversely correlated with factualness is garbage. These kinds of graphs, which try to convince us that centrism equals factualness, are garbage:
Dude, the link you posted is literally of a high budget video from fucking Al Jazeera criticizing media companies being owned by for profit companies. Al Jazeera, literally run by goddamn Qatar as a fucking propaganda front. Also, mind watching the video and telling me where Noam Chomsky is actually quoted? Because it doesn’t quote him - it paraphrases him in order to use his words to criticize the west.
Like, holy fucking shit - I’m not linking to the fucking NY Times here (a company that, by your definition, absolutely puts profit before facts) - I’m criticizing people who argue in bad faith because they hold views against certain people. And you respond by literally posting a propaganda piece from the fucking Qataris. You are literally the thing you purport to condemn.
I believe in rational discourse, so I’ll avoid using terms that are deragotory, but down votes aside I believe my original point still stands; and that your response is a perfect example of the aforementioned gish gallop: your links are bullshit, your YouTube videos are literal propaganda trash, and you’re just saying what you’re saying because “hurr durr 'Murica bad”.
I actually agree with you on the latter point, but not to the degree that I would support regimes that literally have fucking slaves build their cities. Cordially: go fuck yourself.
Sometimes I’m just curious where people got their numbers from. This time both for because the first argument seems unlikely and second I wanted to know if they count the occupied areas and those forcibly moved for example.
I completely understand, but remember that for some people this is just a matter of ideology. Any response will be filled with so many bullshit claims that you’ll have to spend an hour digging through random articles, YouTube videos, and googling drive-by statements in order to refute them.
They argue by shooting dozens of points at you hoping that you’ll just say “ah shit, this person is quoting X, Y, and Z so they must be correct”, knowing that no reasonable person would spend the time required to refute each and every BS statement they’ve made. (gish galloping, for the uninitiated)
I did this once before, and it took much longer than expected to refute each bullshit source. When dealing with these people you either don’t engage, or enjoy them feasting on your free time.
You’re arguing with a person driven by anti-Western/NATO viewpoints; you’ll never get a fair response. Even if they find something to back up their claims, it’ll be a biased source. Expect sputnik news or some other direct Russian propaganda source. Just gotta get used to that on Lemmy.
Edit: Removed the “t” word as apparently that’s a slur now.
There is literally no such thing as an unbiased source, and the core bias of the corporate media is the bias of the capitalist class.
The whole concept of the “left” or ”right“ “bias” being inversely correlated with factualness is garbage. These kinds of graphs, which try to convince us that centrism equals factualness, are garbage:
The workings of corporate media were explained about forty years ago in Inventing Reality and Manufacturing Consent.
A five minute introduction: Noam Chomsky - The 5 Filters of the Mass Media Machine
Dude, the link you posted is literally of a high budget video from fucking Al Jazeera criticizing media companies being owned by for profit companies. Al Jazeera, literally run by goddamn Qatar as a fucking propaganda front. Also, mind watching the video and telling me where Noam Chomsky is actually quoted? Because it doesn’t quote him - it paraphrases him in order to use his words to criticize the west.
Like, holy fucking shit - I’m not linking to the fucking NY Times here (a company that, by your definition, absolutely puts profit before facts) - I’m criticizing people who argue in bad faith because they hold views against certain people. And you respond by literally posting a propaganda piece from the fucking Qataris. You are literally the thing you purport to condemn.
I believe in rational discourse, so I’ll avoid using terms that are deragotory, but down votes aside I believe my original point still stands; and that your response is a perfect example of the aforementioned gish gallop: your links are bullshit, your YouTube videos are literal propaganda trash, and you’re just saying what you’re saying because “hurr durr 'Murica bad”.
I actually agree with you on the latter point, but not to the degree that I would support regimes that literally have fucking slaves build their cities. Cordially: go fuck yourself.
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Noam Chomsky - The 5 Filters of the Mass Media Machine
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Sometimes I’m just curious where people got their numbers from. This time both for because the first argument seems unlikely and second I wanted to know if they count the occupied areas and those forcibly moved for example.
I completely understand, but remember that for some people this is just a matter of ideology. Any response will be filled with so many bullshit claims that you’ll have to spend an hour digging through random articles, YouTube videos, and googling drive-by statements in order to refute them.
They argue by shooting dozens of points at you hoping that you’ll just say “ah shit, this person is quoting X, Y, and Z so they must be correct”, knowing that no reasonable person would spend the time required to refute each and every BS statement they’ve made. (gish galloping, for the uninitiated)
I did this once before, and it took much longer than expected to refute each bullshit source. When dealing with these people you either don’t engage, or enjoy them feasting on your free time.
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You’re responding to the wrong person, chief.
Damn, sorry. Don’t know how I managed that.
No worries.