Q: Are the airstrikes in Yemen working?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, when you say “working,” are they stopping the Houthis? No. Are they going to continue? Yes.
Sometimes “working” means forcing them to crawl back into their hole and hatch a new plan.
And do you intend to deal with the fallout of their new plan the same way, creating more new plans from them? Or is there an end goal?
Typical blood thirsty, racist and uneducated American thinking. Color me surprised.
What a stupid and incorrect response.
A self referential comment?
And is that working? It sounds like their old plan is still running.
The Houthis are not new at this. They have been the target of literally thousands of airstrikes by Saudi Arabia, but have continued to operate.
The US is not new at this either. It has decades of experience loosing to much less technically capable forces fighting on their home turf. If history is anything to go by, this is simply not a fight the US military (or any modern military for that matter) is capable of winning.
They’ve apparently been gaining ground since the coup but I don’t think that’s the case as of the past couple of weeks. Either way anything they’ve won has been through violence and intimidation and not the consent of the people. The people voted and rejected Houthis bullshit twice, elections in which many Houthis refused to participate.
I sure hope somebody forces Americans to crawl back into their hole one day.
What ever happened to talking and reaching an agreement and asking for favors and scratching each other back… like now we resort to uncivilized behavior by attacking the poorest countries.
Anything for the israel zionist overlords.
I don’t think there’s much negotiating with a terrorist organization indiscriminately attacking international shipping
They’ve been clear from the start, they will leave the freight alone once the genecide in Gaza stops.
Joe Biden and Bibi are the ones who won’t negotiate.
I don’t have to like it, but it’s sort of a sound strategy. The Red Sea is on the way to the Suez Canal, and the world had a demonstration a few years ago about what happens when you block the Suez canal.
Sound strategy, by the terrorists? It’s a literal suicide mission.
The microphone just dropped, we can all go watch One Piece now. /s
Out of curiosity why did YOU use the word terrorist? Have you ever heard of the movie Avatar, Star Wars, Space Balls? It’s simply too easy to label someone a threat/terrorist, but come on entire countries, like are you agreeing that each creature/living breathing mammal as a terrorist?
Quiet, rebel scum!
Thanks for the laugh.
Because to further their political agenda they are attacking civilians. you know, the definition of terrorism?
Like Israel is attacking civilians. Glad we can finally agree. Thanks for playing
I don’t disagree. I hate what Israel is doing. But we weren’t talking about them. The Houthis are terrorists. Stop acting like you got some sort of trap card. Terrorism is bad no matter the cause.
What about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, was it also wrong?
Don’t forget America
“Hey, do you want you and your families to stop suffering from a lack of food, clean water, healthcare, and housing? We can fix that.”
Might be a start. But it’s never approached that way.
People don’t usually want to be terrorists. The places these people come from are the poorest on earth and don’t know anything other than suffering and exploitation.
Their flag says “death to America, death to Israel, curse be upon the Jews”. In some sense, I think you can’t blame an oppressed group for radicalizing in an attempt to improve their situation. But it’s hard to sympathize with a militant, anti-semitic terrorist organization.
Personally, I think the US should end the Prosperity Guardian operation. It should end support for Israel. And it should end oil imports. This will push America more towards decarbonization while reducing America’s interest in the Middle East. But that will raise gas prices, so it’ll never happen.
The only terrorist organization here is the “coalition” that the burger empire scraped together. Yemen is interdicting shipping from countries supporting a literal genocide through their sovereign waters. Meanwhile, the terrorists from US and UK are bombing Yemen for this.
Years of Saudi air strikes with US weapons systems ended in a victory for the Houthis. Not to mention causing one of the worst humanitarian situations of the 21st century.
WTF does the US think it’s gonna do other than escalate the situation (and continue the next record breaking humanitarian crisis)?
The US is just making sure the humanitarian crisis in Yemen ISN’T the worst humanitarian situation of the 21st century.
Guaranteed employment for the weapons industry?
I stand with Yemen and the Yemeni government, the only terrorists are the US and Israeli militaries and whoever aids them.
I stand with anyone doing their part to pressure the US and Israel in ending their genocide. ❤️
If you stand with the Yemeni government then you want the Houthis gone.
Can you even find Yemen on a map.
- Ansar Allah are the legitimate government of Yemen. Anyone who suggests otherwise is delusional.
- Not only can I find it, I live directly to the north of it (Saudi Arabia). عاش اليمن الشقيق.
Being excited about things doesn’t make them real. You’ll understand that after the tenth or twentieth disappointment.
Yemen has already won, the US has been fighting it since 2004, all that’s left is for the US to understand it lost. Though I predict its crazy politicians will keep repeating their mistakes expecting a different outcome.
American soldiers definitely lose. Civilians definitely lose. Americans and their military industrial complex have definitely been treating the middle East as a training ground for 2+ decades.
Your tears help US Deep State and their genocidal fantasies. Please continue crying.
The recent US and UK actions can be taken as examples on how to cure the symptom while making the disease worse
Here’s an idea:
The Houthi’s can just not launch missiles at ships
I’m tired of this kind of lazy rhetoric.
Why are the Houthi’s committing violence?
I have a feeling it has less to do with a foundational nature of evil, and everything to do with a population being impoverished, oppressed, and forgotten.
Instead of spending 1.2 billion dollars bombing them, maybe purchasing 600 million dollars of their chief export would be a better idea.
Empower the legitimate businesses and the people in the region who aren’t launching missiles instead of ravaging the region and creating a new generation of ‘militant rebels’.
I have a feeling it has less to do with a foundational nature of evil, and everything to do with a population being impoverished, oppressed, and forgotten.
Instead of trusting your feelings and alluding that the Houthis launch missiles “because they’re forgotten”, you could list the actual reason they’ve given, which is enforcing a blockade against ships trading with Israel.
Given that statement, I’m sure that the Houthis will stop their strikes when Israel stops their ongoing genocide. The US could have their shipping lanes back if they stop funding and arming a genocide and force a permanent ceasefire.
This.
This what? These people are religious fanatics so self absorbed in superstition and nonsense that they will literally blow themselves up and kill a bunch of people just out having breakfast because they don’t like the hours of operation one group sets for a pile of rocks some other group wants to visit on one day but not on another day. It is their utter lack of empathy and rationality that makes them evil pieces of shit. They aren’t fucking freedom fighters standing up for innocent people. They are morons who want religious control over their own people and every other person, absolute male domination of women in society, minority rule, and the ethnic cleansing of Jewish people from the middleeast.
With the support of useful idiots as you, of course.
Which books or sources have you read or studied to classify a sub set of people in such a precise manner?
They who, first of all
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Come on man you don’t have to murder him like that.
The Houthi are the Proud Boys of Yemen.
After 1/6, instead of arresting the insurrectionists, maybe we should have bought more Proud Boys merchandise? That’s your solution to religious extremists attempting to overthrow the government?
Yemen’s chief export is Proud Boys merch?
Didn’t know that.
Thanks for informing me and not just being a murderous troll.
If that’s the case, just nuke Yemen. Explosives are the only real fix for social issues.
I was comparing religious extremists in the US who attempted to overthrow the US government with the Houthi who are doing the same in Yemen. The Houthi aren’t the official Yemen government. They are a religious faction who are attempting to overthrow the Yemeni government.
Then why did you take my point, employ and empower legitimate Yemen businesses and buy their chief export, flip it around, and say that I was suggesting buying Proud Boy’s merch?
Sorry, I interpreted it as supporting the Houthi. That is buy Houthi products from Houthi businesses.
You didn’t say Yemeni in your reply.
Spending 1.2 billion on bombing campaigns keeps 1.2 billion in the American economy. Giving another country 600 million only exports money from their grasp.
Peace is not the point of the war machine.
Are you joking? You want to stop bombing the terrorists and instead give them half a billion dollars? This is definitely one of the most ridiculous things I’ve heard in a while.
Me when i label the people i don’t like as terrorists so I don’t have to think about the conflict and can bomb their entire country to dust while feeling good about myself
Me when i label the American military as terrorists so I don’t have to think about the conflict and can bomb their entire country to dust while feeling good about myself
This but unironically
I want to stop murdering bad people and I want to start rewarding good people.
Nowhere did I suggest giving the bad people money.
Watch a man get strong and push thugs out when he has a dollar to defend.
You should go live there, show them how it’s done. Try not to get shot in the head for teaching math to women, and then have your dollar taken.
Ok. You’re right.
Compassion is futile. Just nuke em.
I have compassion for the little girl that wants to learn math, not the religious fanatics that would shoot you for teaching her. You can be compassionate for terrorists if you want. Honestly you should move there and join their cause, if you think they’re so great.
And the US could just stop funding Netanyahu’s war in Gaza.
Good idea! Here’s another: UK and US stop interferring in middle east (FYI the palestine problem was worsened by magnitudes by the UK mandate)
Yeah let’s just set back and let be bunch of theocratic authoritarians hell bent on developing nuclear weapons and cleansing the middle east of Christians and Jews.
I have a better idea. How about we isolate them into little spots of desert nobody cares about and if they poke their heads out and threaten their neighbors, we bomb the shit out of them until they figure out that they are the baddies, while the rest of the world moves forward without them?
Maybe you’re right. Maybe we should just say a bunch of inch deep non sequitors and nonsense like “fyi the Palestine problem was worsened by the west.” That will totally not result in another world war and tens of millions of dead, tens of millions of refugees, and the worst humanitarian crisis in the history of the planet. And let’s do it all in the name of humanitarianism!
How about no.
I don’t get it, are you trying to preserve life or eliminate it? Wait a minute… do you mean
Least fascist Lemmy Worlder
I agree, let them just kill each other with reckless abandon
Actually they can’t, they have a legal obligation under the UN Convention on Genocide to take extra-territorial actions in order to stop or prevent genocide. They are acting within international law. The ships going to Israel despite the active genocide are violating international law and complicit in the genocide themselves.
I don’t even know where to begin with this idiocy.
How do the Houthis know which ships are going to Israel? Can you prove they’ve only attacked ships bound for Israel?
Why is there a 39 nation coalition organizing against the Houthis? Aren’t a lot of those nations opposing Israel’s current actions?
Do you know the Houthis slogan of, “Death to America, Death to Israel, Death to the Jews, Victory to Islam”?
You’re fighting for the wrong side buddy
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Sorry,
“Curse upon the Jews”
All ships relevant to this discussion are required to have an AIS transmitter and destination is one of the pieces of data they transmit. This is like asking “how do you know where that plane passing overhead is going?” to someone who has flightradar24 open.
Oh I wonder why that may be their message? Maybe because those two have a long history in the middle east in destabilizing it and killing innocent people? Do you honestly believe they hate us because they hate our freedom? Unbelievable.
Unbelievable that you defend those attacking random supply ships.
If they’re innocent, why is there a coalition formed against them?
So your logic is if there is a collation formed against someone then they’re bad? What about the axis powers during WW2? They had a coalition against some countries does that mean those countries are bad??
There were significantly less nations allied in the axis than what formed against them.
Nice try tho
“If Iraq doesn’t have WMDs, why is there a coalition formed against them?”
Simple, ships declare their destination and affiliation https://www.newarab.com/news/russia-china-ships-granted-safe-passage-yemens-houthis
They will, just as soon as those ships stop violating their blockade. You will note that many ships pass through Yemeni waters without issue because they are abiding by the rules, as dictates by maritime law and international law. Why are you defending the criminals?
The ships they’re firing upon are passing through in accordance with maritime and international law. Their justification is that the ships are Israeli affiliated, but those ships are still sailing in recognized international waters.
Oh shit! International law?? Man, I bet everyone totally respects stuff like that-- especially the very very moral nations like the US and Israel.
No, they aren’t, because a blockade has been announced and the ships are violating the blockade.
You can’t just “announce” a blockade and make it your territorial waters. You can absolutely create a blockade if you choose to, but it is a recognized act of war. There’s a separate conversation to whether that is a just action or not, tied in with the war in Israel/Palestine. But that doesn’t change the fact that a blockade in itself is an act of war.
Sorry, are you saying it’s not in the territorial waters of Yemen?
The Bab-el-Mandeb Strait - which the UN has stated is a strait to which transit passage applies. Yemen is a signatory country to the UN convention on the law of the sea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bab-el-Mandeb
Transit Passage https://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part3.htm#:~:text=and hydrographical characteristics.-,2.,or an exclusive economic zone.
Specifically, article 38 states:
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In straits referred to in article 37, all ships and aircraft enjoy the right of transit passage, which shall not be impeded; except that, if the strait is formed by an island of a State bordering the strait and its mainland, transit passage shall not apply if there exists seaward of the island a route through the high seas or through an exclusive economic zone of similar convenience with respect to navigational and hydrographical characteristics.
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Transit passage means the exercise in accordance with this Part of the freedom of navigation and overflight solely for the purpose of continuous and expeditious transit of the strait between one part of the high seas or an exclusive economic zone and another part of the high seas or an exclusive economic zone. However, the requirement of continuous and expeditious transit does not preclude passage through the strait for the purpose of entering, leaving or returning from a State bordering the strait, subject to the conditions of entry to that State.
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Any activity which is not an exercise of the right of transit passage through a strait remains subject to the other applicable provisions of this Convention.~~*
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Ansar Allah are acting in accordance to international laws and treaties and are trying to stop the genocide in Gaza.
Hey, the navy needs to keep their button pushing skills sharp /s
So… you can’t disagree while refuting actual arguments, got it.
Thus entire 3zchange gave me cancer
Lol🤔
Here’s an idea, countries involved in genocide can just not sail ships through Yemeni waters.
US is a terrorist state, plain and simple.
Every attack strenghten the houthis.
But every attacks also creates shareholder value.
I wonder if treating the Houthis as Iranian agents and retaliating against Iranian assets directly would be more effective than playing whack-a-mole against these missile launchers without addressing the source of the problem. I assume Biden’s advisors are wondering the same thing, but it’s hard to know where the line between deterrence and escalation is…
Iran has enemies. Many of them are even worse than the Iranians, but maybe the thing to do is to find some sympathetic group, arm them, and let them take the heat, just like Iran is doing with the Houthis…
Houthis have been getting bombed by Saudi Arabia for I don’t know how many years. If any one thinks that airstrikes will stop their operations then I have a bridge to sell them.
Raytheon be like: “If you think airstrikes will stop the houthis I got a bomb to sell you”
but maybe the thing to do is to find some sympathetic group, arm them, and let them take the heat
Hmm. I wonder if anyone has tried that yet?
Sympathetic guys armed by the US to fuck with Iran include Saddam Hussein, ISIS and Israel.
Doesn’t that list also include Iran?
I don’t think it’s technically correct to say that the US armed ISIS; ISIS seized weapons that the US provided to Iraq.
Israel does a pretty good job of opposing Iran, and we can be confident that weapons provided to Israel aren’t going to be used against the US. I think it’s likely that the Houthis are acting up now not because they’re provoked by Israel but because Israel is preoccupied with something else.
As for Saddam Hussein… He did a very good job of opposing Iran. The threat of eight years of war and hundreds of thousands of Iranian soldiers dead would be a very effective stick if we still had access to it. It’s ironic that the weak, pro-Iran government that is the result of US intervention in Iraq seems like it’s worse for US interests than Saddam was.
A lot of the people that now sympathize with ISIS are people that the US and other Western countries propped up in various ways to help fight the Soviets.
The Houthis were friendly with the Soviets. The Soviets were friendly with the imamate.
It’s ironic that the weak, pro-Iran government that is the result of US intervention in Iraq seems like it’s worse for US interests than Saddam was.
Nailed it! (Aside from thinking it’s ironic)
a very effective stick if we still had access to it
We? Who is ‘we’?
This needs to be said. USA needs to be done towards the same things that USA did to Japan in 1945. It needs to happen once, and they will never dare to step a military foot outside their borders ever again.
The nuclear attack on Japan wasn’t intended to defeat them - they were already essentially defeated, just trying to find a more favorable way to lose. The nuclear attack’s purpose was to intimidate the USSR, as a power flex. The reason nuclear weapons are a deterrent isn’t because a couple of nukes hitting your country is a problem - that’s just a minor inconvenience when it comes to war. The reason nuclear weapons are a deterrent is because the countries that do have them have a lot of them, and can destroy not just a couple important cities, but cover your entire country in radioactive waste.
Not only will your “plan” not achieve its goal, but it will also hurt hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of civilians. I know it’s popular to associate a people with a government, and that’s not completely baseless, but - and I can’t believe I have to say this - that’s absolutely no reason to launch a nuclear attack. That’s just genocidal nonsense. There’s a reason countries at war don’t kill civilians, and it’s not “good will”.
So do you think the nukes did not kill people in Japan, or set them back a few decades? The purpose of such a neutraliser should be to stop USA from ever doing what they keep doing overseas – genocide and economic/psychological enslavement.
Do you actually think America wouldn’t go absolutely ape trying to find who nuked them? Do you not remember 911 when the whole country collectively lost it’s mind?
You realise the whole world has well prepared nuclear armed countries at this point, unlike back then? USA always tends to calculate optimally the most amount of enemy damage while taking the least amount. If USA attempts to attack others, they will get wiped off earth very easily without a speck of dust remaining. Even North Korea would be enough theoretically.
The thing is, the non-Anglo world is tired of NATO terrorism/colonialism going on for centuries, and will probably explode at some point in the very near future. And the alternative hegemony and systems are pretty much in place with BRICS+ being much more powerful than G7/NATO powers, demonstrably with all the NATO weaponry failures in Ukraine.
