You’re just reiterating your observably false nonsense. Humans have improved from actual barbarians to slavers to civilised groups. Also “if everyone would just…” is not at all a communist position.
Also unsure if you realise this or not but you have the same misanthropic ideology of a mass shooter.
Wow uneven development is not something Marxists have ever studied /s
I’m sorry but you don’t even have the faintest idea of what you’re talking about I don’t think we can hold a productive conversation. I hope you can educate yourself and move beyond your edgy teenager mass shooter ideology phase.
I’m probably twice your age. Over 50 people in my family, that I know of, were killed in the gulags and I grew up hearing about just how great communism was from my Polish family, who lived under communism till 1989.
I too though had a Marxist phase as a teenager and I so strongly believed people were capable of being better if only they would read Marx and follow his ideas.
And then I grew the fuck up and stopped believing in magical opposite world realities suddenly coming into fruition.
Power corrupts and those with power over us will always be corrupted. There is no such thing as a benevolent dictator.
60+ and still an edgy teenager with a misanthropic mass shooter ideology who speaks with authority on subjects without any study or investigation very impressive. For someone who allegedly read Marx your ability to not understand a single point Marxists make and instead spout off right wing talking points and strawmen is equally impressive.
This person seems to be speaking from personal lived experience, which, to me, is more valuable than theory alone. Assuming they’re telling the truth, of course.
There’s a reason anecdotal evidence generally isn’t worth much. Talking about your experience is great but using it to extrapolate to the sweeping remarks this person is making is dangerous and generally should be avoided.
I’d argue that lived experience (material reality) is the only thing that actually matters, and that theory can be confabulated by anyone. edit: again assuming that this person is a real person, not saying that their history is the only one that matters, just that real world lived experience is more important than theory
Here’s another anecdote then. My polish family got saved from the Nazis by the russian army taking Poland, got a university education, the women got to be independent and have their own housing and material security.
Their religion was suppressed and they were unhappy about that but Polish Catholicism was extremely misogynistic and repressive.
Oh they also got vaccines and healthcare and shit.
It was no utopia but they were treated well enough that they regretted moving away for a long time.
Holy ad hominems batman, lmao. For someone who also clames to know about logical fallacies, you really don’t seem to be doing to well on that front either.
You’re the one who tried to play the age card to dodge the fact that your worldview is misanthropic garbage based on nothing of substance while you entirely misunderstand Marx and Marxist points then fight those misunderstandings as if they are the points themselves. No Marxist advocates for “if everyone would just…” or benevolent dictators or any of the nonsense you’re spewing. I really think we should leave this here.
I hope you don’t commit to your misanthropy too hard and end up on the news.
No Marxist advocates for “if everyone would just…”
But the whole reason this conversation with you started was because you didn’t like that I said communism doesn’t work because people aren’t capable of it. And we haven’t been capable of it yet anywhere either.
So if you’re not arguing for ‘if everybody would just’ but also believe people are actually capable of communism… then what?
Work with me here, I’m really trying to understand you.
And ffs, with your attitude here, if anyone’s likely to get on the news for something relating to this, it seems like you’re closer to going all ‘gulag for the non-believers’, than I am to bothering to seek out any of you morons irl to be pissed at.
You’re just reiterating your observably false nonsense. Humans have improved from actual barbarians to slavers to civilised groups. Also “if everyone would just…” is not at all a communist position.
Also unsure if you realise this or not but you have the same misanthropic ideology of a mass shooter.
And no offence but ‘civillised groups’? Lmao, you’re going to have to define this too because fuck me does it reek of collonialism.
Estimates of the number of currently enslaved people range from around 38 million to 49.6 million, depending on the method used to form the estimate and the definition of slavery being used.
How are you defining babary? Just so I know exactly how to disprove your statement, please.
Wow uneven development is not something Marxists have ever studied /s
I’m sorry but you don’t even have the faintest idea of what you’re talking about I don’t think we can hold a productive conversation. I hope you can educate yourself and move beyond your edgy teenager mass shooter ideology phase.
I’m probably twice your age. Over 50 people in my family, that I know of, were killed in the gulags and I grew up hearing about just how great communism was from my Polish family, who lived under communism till 1989.
I too though had a Marxist phase as a teenager and I so strongly believed people were capable of being better if only they would read Marx and follow his ideas.
And then I grew the fuck up and stopped believing in magical opposite world realities suddenly coming into fruition.
Power corrupts and those with power over us will always be corrupted. There is no such thing as a benevolent dictator.
And just so we’re clear, because at this point my expectations for the people reading this are fairly low, ‘great’ in this context, is sarcasm.
As in, they did not actually find living under communism to be ‘great’.
60+ and still an edgy teenager with a misanthropic mass shooter ideology who speaks with authority on subjects without any study or investigation very impressive. For someone who allegedly read Marx your ability to not understand a single point Marxists make and instead spout off right wing talking points and strawmen is equally impressive.
This person seems to be speaking from personal lived experience, which, to me, is more valuable than theory alone. Assuming they’re telling the truth, of course.
There’s a reason anecdotal evidence generally isn’t worth much. Talking about your experience is great but using it to extrapolate to the sweeping remarks this person is making is dangerous and generally should be avoided.
I’d argue that lived experience (material reality) is the only thing that actually matters, and that theory can be confabulated by anyone. edit: again assuming that this person is a real person, not saying that their history is the only one that matters, just that real world lived experience is more important than theory
Here’s another anecdote then. My polish family got saved from the Nazis by the russian army taking Poland, got a university education, the women got to be independent and have their own housing and material security.
Their religion was suppressed and they were unhappy about that but Polish Catholicism was extremely misogynistic and repressive.
Oh they also got vaccines and healthcare and shit.
It was no utopia but they were treated well enough that they regretted moving away for a long time.
Feel free to believe that but social sciences are a science and there’s a reason anecdotal evidence is not valued highly.
Should we discard all of quantum mechanics because of your lived experience with gravity? Obviously not.
Holy ad hominems batman, lmao. For someone who also clames to know about logical fallacies, you really don’t seem to be doing to well on that front either.
Well done spelling those big words though!
You’re the one who tried to play the age card to dodge the fact that your worldview is misanthropic garbage based on nothing of substance while you entirely misunderstand Marx and Marxist points then fight those misunderstandings as if they are the points themselves. No Marxist advocates for “if everyone would just…” or benevolent dictators or any of the nonsense you’re spewing. I really think we should leave this here.
I hope you don’t commit to your misanthropy too hard and end up on the news.
But the whole reason this conversation with you started was because you didn’t like that I said communism doesn’t work because people aren’t capable of it. And we haven’t been capable of it yet anywhere either.
So if you’re not arguing for ‘if everybody would just’ but also believe people are actually capable of communism… then what?
Work with me here, I’m really trying to understand you.
And ffs, with your attitude here, if anyone’s likely to get on the news for something relating to this, it seems like you’re closer to going all ‘gulag for the non-believers’, than I am to bothering to seek out any of you morons irl to be pissed at.