Here’s another anecdote then. My polish family got saved from the Nazis by the russian army taking Poland, got a university education, the women got to be independent and have their own housing and material security.
Their religion was suppressed and they were unhappy about that but Polish Catholicism was extremely misogynistic and repressive.
Oh they also got vaccines and healthcare and shit.
It was no utopia but they were treated well enough that they regretted moving away for a long time.
This is difficult to respond to, but I’m going to try anyway.
I don’t think your family’s limited prosperity was worth the extermination of the other guy’s family. Killing the Nazis is a very low bar for goodness. Americans also killed Nazis, and now look what’s happening in the US.
If you have a bad situation, seeing someone else in a bad situation doesn’t make your bad situation better, it just means that there are now two bad situations.
It wasn’t just my family though, women were massively liberated in the USSR relative to basically everywhere in Eurasia at the time. Loads of people die in prison, maybe their family was Nazi collaborators, maybe mine was KGB agents, maybe we’re both lying.
We should stick to verifiable facts when discussing history.
I don’t think exterminating 50 families is worth it even if 50 other unrelated families get uplifted. At least, I don’t think you can call it good or better. And I don’t think any one specific theory or ideology is necessary for women’s liberation. Women have historically liberated themselves using a myraid of different ideologies.
I don’t think you can count theory alone as a “verifiable fact.” The verifiable facts are the historically accurate first-person accounts of history which have been measured against corroborating witnesses and physical evidence. Marx wrote a book about his own thoughts and predictions. Some of these thoughts can be measured against reality and some of them cannot. Anybody can write down their thoughts, and the more intelligent you are, the more you can twist your words to make them sound good. Material reality and the lived experiences of real people matter more to me than what an intelligent person can make up or predict.
I find it hard to believe that every single person who died in a gulag was a Nazi collaborator, because not all of them were. Although we can’t do it on Lemmy, it is possible to verify familial histories and first-person accounts. You’re right about the fact that a lot of people lie on the internet so this whole discussion is kind of silly.
Here’s another anecdote then. My polish family got saved from the Nazis by the russian army taking Poland, got a university education, the women got to be independent and have their own housing and material security.
Their religion was suppressed and they were unhappy about that but Polish Catholicism was extremely misogynistic and repressive.
Oh they also got vaccines and healthcare and shit.
It was no utopia but they were treated well enough that they regretted moving away for a long time.
This is difficult to respond to, but I’m going to try anyway.
I don’t think your family’s limited prosperity was worth the extermination of the other guy’s family. Killing the Nazis is a very low bar for goodness. Americans also killed Nazis, and now look what’s happening in the US.
If you have a bad situation, seeing someone else in a bad situation doesn’t make your bad situation better, it just means that there are now two bad situations.
It wasn’t just my family though, women were massively liberated in the USSR relative to basically everywhere in Eurasia at the time. Loads of people die in prison, maybe their family was Nazi collaborators, maybe mine was KGB agents, maybe we’re both lying.
We should stick to verifiable facts when discussing history.
I don’t think exterminating 50 families is worth it even if 50 other unrelated families get uplifted. At least, I don’t think you can call it good or better. And I don’t think any one specific theory or ideology is necessary for women’s liberation. Women have historically liberated themselves using a myraid of different ideologies.
I don’t think you can count theory alone as a “verifiable fact.” The verifiable facts are the historically accurate first-person accounts of history which have been measured against corroborating witnesses and physical evidence. Marx wrote a book about his own thoughts and predictions. Some of these thoughts can be measured against reality and some of them cannot. Anybody can write down their thoughts, and the more intelligent you are, the more you can twist your words to make them sound good. Material reality and the lived experiences of real people matter more to me than what an intelligent person can make up or predict.
I find it hard to believe that every single person who died in a gulag was a Nazi collaborator, because not all of them were. Although we can’t do it on Lemmy, it is possible to verify familial histories and first-person accounts. You’re right about the fact that a lot of people lie on the internet so this whole discussion is kind of silly.