And sad that, even so, Firefox has been a rounding error in global usage data. 😢
I’ve been using Firefox since it existed, never been disappointed. I just hope that it (or Mozilla) didn’t eventually go bankrupt and dies. You can say what you want about the politics and financing of Mozilla but we desperately need them to prevail.
Same, very rarely “disappointed” with FF outside of the core browser (like the days when Chrome could point to how much RAM older FF was stuck using before Chrome became worse). Still used it as default on desktop and laptop since like 03~04, and completely switched on Android when they started allowing limited extensions (and now can basically force almost all).
The sites themselves are what I actually feel extremely disappointed about. Back when I did randomly buy/stream songs/albums from Amazon it would work. But now they pretend to work and then act like my browser “is out of date” (even link the FF site knowing there isn’t an update and pulls the old IE tactic of really pushing “better with Chrome” or whatever). I don’t use the Netflix site, but know that they have intentionally dark patterned using it on FF with fake limits on being 720p, and very much can run 1080p with third-party extensions likely spoofing Chrome/Chromium coded DRM (I am guessing that is what is being done at least).
Same here. I also can count on one hand the occasions where a site was broken in FF but worked in Chromium. And for a majority of those, that was intentional (aka no actual issue, switchtig the user-agent “fixed” the site). So I have little understanding when people say they can’t use Firefox because pages break.
Just my personal opinions (ranting) without hard data/facts: Which is basically back to the same issue from the IE days. Chromium is better than IE really because it can be used to make other browsers. But is being coded for by sites like IE in how if the agent seen is not Chromium then it hard stops. Which to me just makes the circular feedback that Chromium IS the standard because more people use it, but people use it because non-Chromium browsers “can’t” load the pages they go to. Same applies to extensions being gutted because Google controls basically what gets to still work, and most Chromium browsers don’t host their own extensions stores. Given most people don’t bother trying other browsers because Edge is the default in Windows (so Chromium) or because a long time ago they were told “don’t use IE and use Chrome” by their “tech friends” when IE was getting worse and worse with malware exploits. Younger folks have grown up with Chrome being “the internet” like IE was for folks in the 90s/00s.
A lot of the folks that do intentionally install Chromium “forks” do it for some misc features/layouts while being told sites that work in Chrome will also work. So those folks at least are interested in trying stuff like Brave/Opera/OperaGX after a YouTuber or some source they trust. But would only try FF or browsers based on it if those same trusted sources went hard pushing it, and if major sites they use (that currently artificially don’t work) did work. The moment one site they use enough doesn’t work, then they basically swear off FF and maybe even continue the telephone game of telling their friends/family FF is bad/won’t work. Then the sites continue to code for Chromium because "no one uses FF (or whatever non-Chromium browsers that aren’t Safari).
So I have little understanding when people say they can’t use Firefox because pages break.
goes to prove the depths of the lack of technical illiteracy that the western world has been shepherded into.
Just to be clear: I don’t mean that I expect most people to know about user agent strings. I just cannot confirm the “so many sites don’t work!” complaints, flat out
And sad that, even so, Firefox has been a rounding error in global usage data. 😢
I’ve been using Firefox since it existed, never been disappointed. I just hope that it (or Mozilla) didn’t eventually go bankrupt and dies. You can say what you want about the politics and financing of Mozilla but we desperately need them to prevail.
Same, very rarely “disappointed” with FF outside of the core browser (like the days when Chrome could point to how much RAM older FF was stuck using before Chrome became worse). Still used it as default on desktop and laptop since like 03~04, and completely switched on Android when they started allowing limited extensions (and now can basically force almost all).
The sites themselves are what I actually feel extremely disappointed about. Back when I did randomly buy/stream songs/albums from Amazon it would work. But now they pretend to work and then act like my browser “is out of date” (even link the FF site knowing there isn’t an update and pulls the old IE tactic of really pushing “better with Chrome” or whatever). I don’t use the Netflix site, but know that they have intentionally dark patterned using it on FF with fake limits on being 720p, and very much can run 1080p with third-party extensions likely spoofing Chrome/Chromium coded DRM (I am guessing that is what is being done at least).
Same here. I also can count on one hand the occasions where a site was broken in FF but worked in Chromium. And for a majority of those, that was intentional (aka no actual issue, switchtig the user-agent “fixed” the site). So I have little understanding when people say they can’t use Firefox because pages break.
Just my personal opinions (ranting) without hard data/facts: Which is basically back to the same issue from the IE days. Chromium is better than IE really because it can be used to make other browsers. But is being coded for by sites like IE in how if the agent seen is not Chromium then it hard stops. Which to me just makes the circular feedback that Chromium IS the standard because more people use it, but people use it because non-Chromium browsers “can’t” load the pages they go to. Same applies to extensions being gutted because Google controls basically what gets to still work, and most Chromium browsers don’t host their own extensions stores. Given most people don’t bother trying other browsers because Edge is the default in Windows (so Chromium) or because a long time ago they were told “don’t use IE and use Chrome” by their “tech friends” when IE was getting worse and worse with malware exploits. Younger folks have grown up with Chrome being “the internet” like IE was for folks in the 90s/00s.
A lot of the folks that do intentionally install Chromium “forks” do it for some misc features/layouts while being told sites that work in Chrome will also work. So those folks at least are interested in trying stuff like Brave/Opera/OperaGX after a YouTuber or some source they trust. But would only try FF or browsers based on it if those same trusted sources went hard pushing it, and if major sites they use (that currently artificially don’t work) did work. The moment one site they use enough doesn’t work, then they basically swear off FF and maybe even continue the telephone game of telling their friends/family FF is bad/won’t work. Then the sites continue to code for Chromium because "no one uses FF (or whatever non-Chromium browsers that aren’t Safari).
same here and it became bad enough to force me to install an extension to switch the user agent dynamically.
goes to prove the depths of the lack of technical illiteracy that the western world has been shepherded into.
Just to be clear: I don’t mean that I expect most people to know about user agent strings. I just cannot confirm the “so many sites don’t work!” complaints, flat out