Yes, I recall the content of reddit being much better around the same time you describe. There was a vast amount of actual original content produced directly by the users there at the time, and the quality of discussion was very good.

Over time as more people joined it, it seemed to become more and more of a sort of parody of itself, sort of like when you make a friend and introduce them to your group of friends, and they begin to use an inside joke that existed before they were there. Sometimes it’s still funny, but it is an odd feeling that when this new friend tells the joke, you can tell they don’t exactly understand why it’s funny themselves.

Reddit to me felt like this to the nth degree when I left. I suppose it really is a result of some kind of “herd” behavior; people just acting a specific way or saying specific things because they saw other people doing or saying the same things, but to the point it no longer goes any deeper than that and becomes bereft of any real meaning or deeper thought or variety.

Whenever I see an argument made in good faith, there’s frequently contrary responses that delve into the actual issues and discuss some of the nuance around them.

I am in agreement, I have found this to be the most refreshing part of the platform. Many more people on Lemmy as compared to reddit seem much less likely to take every single thing at face value only in my experience. I have had some extremely interesting and informative conversations here in which some very good points were brought up because people were more interested in discussing the topic instead of other users opinions of the topic.

This is a long reply, but understand that I don’t intend a mean tone here, I am just speaking my honest thoughts in response to your question.

When I was on reddit I wasn’t exposed to so many people with extreme absolutist views

You have entered a place with many groups of people with many views, and you are paying attention to the loudest ones. I can understand that can be upsetting to someone if they haven’t spent a lot of time outside of reddit. Surely on Twitter you would have seen more of this kind of thing, but it really depends on what and who you pay attention to. In my case, people always talked about how volatile Twitter was, but that was never my experience, because I was on it strictly to follow various artists. I just ignored everything else, or otherwise often just didn’t bother myself with other people’s thoughts on there.

who will stop at nothing to maintain the echo chamber.

Lemmy, functionally, is a collection of echo chambers, and chambers of many other kinds depending on how you leverage it. Some - often the loudest - do devoutly believe in the things they believe in and will talk about it all the time.

Reddit was/is arguably a single large echo chamber, but you may have not noticed this because that chamber aligned with your personal thoughts and opinions.

What you are describing sounds more like someone who has left an echo chamber with a set of strong ideals and entered a place with many multiple strong ideals rather than someone who has entered one, as your chief complaint sounds like you don’t enjoy that there are multiple groups of people who believe in different things than you as strongly as you believe in what you do.

Very few people here are able to make concessions.

What concessions do you want, or think are necessary? You have the options of blocking the communities or people you disagree with, or creating an account on an instance which defederates the instance/s you primarily disagree with and/or has rules for its communities that you identify with. You can also install an extension and filter stuff based on keywords:

https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/471718-lemmy-post-keyword-filter

If what you want instead is simply for most other people to believe in what you believe then unfortunately I just don’t think that’s a realistic expectation to have for the international public.

I just feel like every time I get on here I go away angrier.

Well, you can try the above things to ignore the things that make you angry, otherwise I spent my first year on Lemmy working on tolerating and contending with the thoughts of people other than me instead - of course I have blocked some communities and some people as I agree some are more trouble for me than I find worth in, but generally speaking I think forcing myself to learn to control my own feelings when I see a complete stranger say something I personally disagree with has made me a more patient and better rounded person.

Personally, if someone says something I disagree with, that is just how the world is, and I know this is the experience of every person on the planet to some degree, so I have no expectation that my thoughts and feelings are special to anyone else.

It is just is not possible for every single person to be in agreement on every single thing, so it is useless for me to be mad about other people’s thoughts. Sometimes, I think it is useful however, to express your reasoning to other people, even if some of them hate you for it and even if you feel it’s at your own expense because otherwise how would anything work socially between anyone in the world. But even at that, I don’t think I ever feel the obligation to.

I have learned that for my peace of mind, there is a line to walk such that I never feel my opinions or feelings are innately righteous, and that they are not pointless either. I find believing this about other people’s thoughts and feelings as well helps me to meditate on why people think and feel the things they do; to reach an understanding of those things even if I disagree with them.

We won’t attract new users if we’re like this

I have a contention with this for a couple reasons.

I think that if the objective of Lemmy as a platform were user count, it would be a business instead of software, and I am glad it is not a business. That is what attracted me to it, and I am not too concerned if other people aren’t. Lemmy probably will never attract a lot of people like normal social media, because it isn’t a business and has no marketing as a result. In some ways I think Lemmy could even be made worse by having a population like reddit or twitter.

The idea of “we” is unclear here compared to traditional social media. Do you mean “we” the users on the instance, “we” as in all users on all Lemmy instances, “we” all users on all activitypub based social media platforms?

Depending on what you mean, “we” could both care and not care about attracting more users, and want to or not want to work toward that, at the same time, because it depends on what and who you actually mean.

You’re posting to a community in Lemmy.ml so I have some guesses about what you might mean, but Lemmy.ml is not Lemmy, and many users on it do not hold ideals similar to reddit users in the slightest. Remember, “Lemmy” is just the software.

So the question “is Lemmy worse than Reddit/Twitter” is like saying “Is Firefox worse than Facebook”, though I know this is not what you meant.

My answer to your actual question as a result is Yes and No, at the same time, because it depends on which instance you are on, which instance you are looking at, if you leverage the blocking and filtering available to you, and your ability to contend with people who are different than you.

Oh kerosene! How many what with without it? All of the and drenching in outside of it is are not bones. In experience did not to remove feathering over all did it.

Can any with chicken, the brines my hand it wasn’t, but for wasn’t did for certain.

Do you have any recommendations for anyone looking to switch from windows DAW to a Linux DAW? Are there any tips regarding getting the plugins to play nicely?

I would love to switch to Linux on my desktop, but the only thing holding me back is that I use FL Studio with the Arturia V collection and I feel as though it would be nightmarish to try to get such a thing working in Linux.

I’m completely out of the loop. What happened?

If you want to get into doing it, I found searching through a lot of note taking applications until I found something I really liked helped me remember to go do it regularly.

For FOSS stuff a lot of people like Joplin, and I could certainly recommend it. Personally though, I really like Obsidian for its backlinking and graph view features, but it’s not open source.

Furthermore, just carrying around a notebook and a pen everywhere you go as a habit helps a lot. I got into the habit of doing this by maintaining a personal journal for some time. For writing effective notation on paper which can easily be digitized, I would recommend looking into “bullet journaling” methods, and again, finding a notebook and pen that you really quite like, helps a lot to make the experience enjoyable and develop it as a skill.

I learned this lesson pretty quick when working in IT.

It’s not always feasible to document everything as it happens, but I definitely learned to do so if I had the time and means to while I was doing the thing.

Just started at a new company with 0 documentation, they’re super psyched that I’ve actually been writing down all their processes/procedures/configurations etc. as they explain them to me/as I work with them.

How it’s been going.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QbBc3Oduc8

I see, thanks!

Thanks Dessalines!

Fascinating, didn’t know moderators could investigate such things effectively (I was unaware of any mod tool that made that easy to do).

Its early so I only had time to take a cursory glance and the vote counts were still looking the same to me - which one had the votes removed after your report?

Good to hear nonetheless, definitely felt something was up, thanks!

To make it clear what I am talking about - I would expect any voting distribution for 16 votes to be at least semi-random on a controversial comment, in example such as this:

However, the distribution as it occurred looked like this on the first 16 votes:

A controversial comment will have such a ratio, but any comment controversial or not will almost never have this kind of distribution unless there are multiple accounts waiting for vote up events to occur so that they can send a vote down.

I can believe this happening 2, 3, even 4 times by chance, but not 8 times.

I’m entirely aware, I’m specifically referencing my top level comment which at the time had no replies.

Additionally, what you are describing does not explain both a vote up and vote down, occurring at the same time 8 times consecutively, so I’m not quite sure I understand what your point is as what actions occurred prior to hitting the button doesn’t enter into what I’m describing as far as I can determine.

Even if people read a thread before scrolling back up and hitting the up or down button, them hitting that button at the same time as someone else hitting the opposing button 8 times in a row within a few moments of each other is still a statistical anomaly.

See my other comment in which I graphed what I am talking about in order to better explain myself.

As I said, certainly possible, I was just surprised by the distribution over time, not the distribution of vote type.

Yes, it’s true that some good things have been added, I suppose my concern is just that I feel the negative things in the case of firefox hold greater weights when compared to the positive things they have done.

As a euphemism; a cruise ship adding a bowling alley, better seating, and fine art to its interior is neat and might make it look better and more convenient but it doesn’t mean much to me if they also added an engine which spews 50% more pollution into the atmosphere and poisons me.

Certainly possible but I’m sure the odds are astronomically low. After I saw this happen 3 times I started refreshing every minute and each time there was a change, both counts had increased, and this happened 8 times in a row. I could see a distribution happening of something like a vote up at minute 2, vote down at minute 3 vote up at minute 12, vote down at minute 20, etc, but this was - vote up and vote down at minute 5, same thing at minute 11, same thing at minute 16, etc, 8 times concurrently (the minutes listed here are an example, I wasn’t tracking exact time between events).

All I intend to say is that if I left when Mozilla thought it was a good idea to have an advertising company become involved in the development of their products and started tracking users without their consent (even if less invasively than cookies) with PPA, then surely I am not the only one who left.

This is a company that has previously sideloaded an extension into the browser without user permissions because of a marketing deal they made with a television show. As a result, I’m afraid im less concerned with the not-yet implemented features they may be working on or the features they have in place when there are a litany of other browsers available which don’t fuck around with user permissions and privacy for advertising deals.

If I wanted a browser for tab grouping and UI stuff, I’d move to vivaldi, but at the moment firefox just doesn’t seem to have the best UI or the best security and both of those are directly related to Mozilla’s choices.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion and it is valid, but I think that my criticisms are also valid and are not baseless.

Perhaps if they made decisions like this more often in recent times there would be more people there when they do good stuff.

Edit: Cool to see someone botting this thread as well. I have now watched on three separate occasions someone vote up on mine and others comments only for a vote down to be applied within 10 seconds - 5 minutes in lockstep each time. This was in the first 15 minutes of the comment being posted.

2nd Edit. I’ve watched it happen 8 times now actually. I wonder what the odds are that over the course of ~2 hours there is exactly 8 people who agree and exactly 8 who don’t who keep showing up within moments of one another.