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I’m not sure I can internet without ubo’s element zapper
…and therefore my main browser. It’s cool that competitors are handing Firefox a unique selling point.
And sad that, even so, Firefox has been a rounding error in global usage data. 😢
I’ve been using Firefox since it existed, never been disappointed. I just hope that it (or Mozilla) didn’t eventually go bankrupt and dies. You can say what you want about the politics and financing of Mozilla but we desperately need them to prevail.
Same, very rarely “disappointed” with FF outside of the core browser (like the days when Chrome could point to how much RAM older FF was stuck using before Chrome became worse). Still used it as default on desktop and laptop since like 03~04, and completely switched on Android when they started allowing limited extensions (and now can basically force almost all).
The sites themselves are what I actually feel extremely disappointed about. Back when I did randomly buy/stream songs/albums from Amazon it would work. But now they pretend to work and then act like my browser “is out of date” (even link the FF site knowing there isn’t an update and pulls the old IE tactic of really pushing “better with Chrome” or whatever). I don’t use the Netflix site, but know that they have intentionally dark patterned using it on FF with fake limits on being 720p, and very much can run 1080p with third-party extensions likely spoofing Chrome/Chromium coded DRM (I am guessing that is what is being done at least).
Same here. I also can count on one hand the occasions where a site was broken in FF but worked in Chromium. And for a majority of those, that was intentional (aka no actual issue, switchtig the user-agent “fixed” the site). So I have little understanding when people say they can’t use Firefox because pages break.
Just my personal opinions (ranting) without hard data/facts: Which is basically back to the same issue from the IE days. Chromium is better than IE really because it can be used to make other browsers. But is being coded for by sites like IE in how if the agent seen is not Chromium then it hard stops. Which to me just makes the circular feedback that Chromium IS the standard because more people use it, but people use it because non-Chromium browsers “can’t” load the pages they go to. Same applies to extensions being gutted because Google controls basically what gets to still work, and most Chromium browsers don’t host their own extensions stores. Given most people don’t bother trying other browsers because Edge is the default in Windows (so Chromium) or because a long time ago they were told “don’t use IE and use Chrome” by their “tech friends” when IE was getting worse and worse with malware exploits. Younger folks have grown up with Chrome being “the internet” like IE was for folks in the 90s/00s.
A lot of the folks that do intentionally install Chromium “forks” do it for some misc features/layouts while being told sites that work in Chrome will also work. So those folks at least are interested in trying stuff like Brave/Opera/OperaGX after a YouTuber or some source they trust. But would only try FF or browsers based on it if those same trusted sources went hard pushing it, and if major sites they use (that currently artificially don’t work) did work. The moment one site they use enough doesn’t work, then they basically swear off FF and maybe even continue the telephone game of telling their friends/family FF is bad/won’t work. Then the sites continue to code for Chromium because "no one uses FF (or whatever non-Chromium browsers that aren’t Safari).
And for a majority of those, that was intentional (aka no actual issue, switchtig the user-agent “fixed” the site).
same here and it became bad enough to force me to install an extension to switch the user agent dynamically.
So I have little understanding when people say they can’t use Firefox because pages break.
goes to prove the depths of the lack of technical illiteracy that the western world has been shepherded into.
So I have little understanding when people say they can’t use Firefox because pages break.
goes to prove the depths of the lack of technical illiteracy that the western world has been shepherded into.
Just to be clear: I don’t mean that I expect most people to know about user agent strings. I just cannot confirm the “so many sites don’t work!” complaints, flat out
Neither Safari nor DuckDuckGo—the two other major non-Chromium browsers out there—support uBlock Origin.
DDG’s browser is using webview, meaning it uses chrome on Windows/Android. Also not what I would consider a major browser.
Even if Firefox drops support, it’s doubtful that many of its major forks will drop support.
For those who want to use something other than a Firefox fork, there are some options.
- Brave has built in ad blocking, but you need to disable a lot of their crap. There are scripts out there that can do it quickly.
- Helium is in beta, but it bundles uBO.
- Orion is currently only available for macOS, but it has a beta for for Linux available. It can install extensions from both Chrome and Firefox.
Brave’s founder and CEO is a bigot who spends his money lobbying for his abhorrent views. Don’t support that piece of shit.
Why would firefox drop UBO support?
If they adopt Manifest v3 exclusively for addons like Chrome. Or if Chromium uses its monopolistic advantage to dictate additional browser standards that undermine the functionality of UBO, which could potentially result in Firefox becoming unable to view certain websites if they don’t adopt them.
Brave Origin on Linux is free, it’s the one that has the extra garbage ripped out. I don’t like braves practices but as a security person I really do admire how Brave Shields functions. Graphene said they were interested in lifting shields off of brave to put in vanadium but it currently wasn’t a top priority.
Would there be any reason to not support ubo anymore? This is actually very depressing
The web is funded by advertising, and adblockers undermine it, that’s why. Fuck advertising though
I do have pihole setup on the whole house, but still, god damn. I hope they won’t drop support for it.
uBO can block things that DNS-based blocking can’t block. Some sites serve their ads from the same domain as the rest of their content, and some sites need custom JavaScript to block the ads.
Tangentially related, but wanted to share for any fellow Arc enthusiasts. Zen browser is firefox based and the spaces/containers switching has been very Arc-like and stable. When they went Dia/Dio/whatever, Arc got neglected so there ya go if you’re missing that feature like I was.
major browser? you guys are such optimists.
You consider Firefox being a niche browser?
I think Firefox has about a 3% market share. It’s wild.
By which metric? Also if we go about market share, then none of the alternatives are “major” browsers. Firefox is one of the few major browsers that on the market, that is relevant. Major in the sense like the Top 4 browsers or so.
A childishly simplistic one. I grabbed that number from Wikipedia. I find Firefox so much better than chrome or edge, I can’t believe some metric puts some order of magnitude around 3%. Triple it to 9%, and if still wish for better.
There’s only 3-4 browser platforms chromium, safari, and Firefox which might be better said as gecko and web-kit. Ladybird and Orion are trying to enter this market with something new.
*this information is probably close to right but I didn’t double check it first.
Chrome and edge are basically the same now.
I don’t understand what you are saying. Linux also had only a few percentage “market share” (say users), but it was and still is one of the few major operating systems. And that’s the point. Its not always about the market share. The article that is linked here is not talking about market share, but about available common options that is viable.
I think that Linux has such large market share in the enterprise especially REHL. That’s why it has really solid support.
Also why I think Linux mobile isn’t taking off as quickly because enterprise use iOS for most of their mobile systems.
Don’t forget about Servo!
FireWHAT? Have they introduced the year of firefox for the web already?
What do you mean?
