Why were they built? How are they used? Who is inside them?
China says one thing, every article that at the end cites Adrian bullshit says something completely different.
China had terrorist attacks that started this whole thing, is not some crazy conspiracy to put the terrorists in prison. All people inside are terrorists? Did they suffer unnecessary punishments? We don’t know because every fucking source is contaminated by this anti-communist moron called Adrian Zenz.
I agree that there is frustratingly little evidence provided by the Chinese government when the Western claims could be disproven and discredited. All I can find are counter-claims which contradict one another.
What? Why Chinese government need to spend time and resources in something with so little substance? Do South Africa need to provide shit to disprove the white genocide?
Some western journalist need to publish anything that doesn’t have 30 cross reference with Adrian Zenz so people start to take this seriously. Is not just China vs the world either. Is the “always the same map” vs China and Muslims countries disapproving the western claims.
I don’t like entertaining the stupidity that is the white genocide conspiracy theory.
I made a good faith effort looking for something that disproves the existence of the internment camps at Xinjiang but all I’ve found is government officials either claiming they don’t exist or do exist and respect human rights or are like boarding schools. I lack faith in massive institutions making statements that are convenient for themselves, especially when they make contradictory statements.
Yes the US is much worse. Yes capitalism is a sham. Yes racism is the single most evil and destructive idea in world history and must be dismantled. Yes the historical Dessalines was a hero.
It is not possible to prove something absolutely. It is possible to disprove things. This is also how science works. There is a ton of evidence supporting the existence of these camps, but others have made fair claims that this evidence is all suspect. I would like to see official evidence to the contrary of these claims, rather than counter-claims which contradict one another on the existence of these camps.
the burden of proof lies with the one who speaks, not the one who denies
Also not with this claim? It’s impossible to disprove this. You can always say something for how it can be done. Science uses falsifiability but you’re doing it wrong.
The original claim was the meme, I said that internment camps are not at the same level as extermination camps or a campaign of elimination (the full text of what I said is on the mod-log, don’t want to break the rule I broke again by saying more), people asked me to prove that there were internment camps and I offered the well-known Xianjiang camps as an example. Since that exchange the primary argument I’ve had is that I fell for western propaganda, which I admit is possible. So far evidence to the contrary of the existence of the camps in Xianjiang have been claims by Chinese government officials I found myself which contradict one another. No hard evidence disproving any of the mountain of evidence (which could be compromised, I admit) has been offered. I am biased that I tend not to believe massive institutions which are advantaged by presenting specific narratives generally, which is why I don’t just believe what the english-language sources say nor do I believe what the Chinese authorities say without supporting evidence. I find that if there is a mountain of evidence that these camps exist, and if none of the evidence has been contradicted or disproven thus far, then it’s more likely that these camps exist than don’t exist.
Damn, dude, you’re not supposed to deep throat the boot. You gotta leave some room for air or you start dissociating and repeating nonsense phrases like this…
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source that doesnt use adrian zenz as a source?
Xinjiang internment camps
That’s not a fucking source
This isn’t a source, it’s a “proof” at best “bullshit” at worst.
Do they exist or not?
LOL.
Why were they built? How are they used? Who is inside them?
China says one thing, every article that at the end cites Adrian bullshit says something completely different.
China had terrorist attacks that started this whole thing, is not some crazy conspiracy to put the terrorists in prison. All people inside are terrorists? Did they suffer unnecessary punishments? We don’t know because every fucking source is contaminated by this anti-communist moron called Adrian Zenz.
I agree that there is frustratingly little evidence provided by the Chinese government when the Western claims could be disproven and discredited. All I can find are counter-claims which contradict one another.
What? Why Chinese government need to spend time and resources in something with so little substance? Do South Africa need to provide shit to disprove the white genocide?
Some western journalist need to publish anything that doesn’t have 30 cross reference with Adrian Zenz so people start to take this seriously. Is not just China vs the world either. Is the “always the same map” vs China and Muslims countries disapproving the western claims.
Got a source for that?
Xinjiang internment camps
White genocide
I don’t like entertaining the stupidity that is the white genocide conspiracy theory.
I made a good faith effort looking for something that disproves the existence of the internment camps at Xinjiang but all I’ve found is government officials either claiming they don’t exist or do exist and respect human rights or are like boarding schools. I lack faith in massive institutions making statements that are convenient for themselves, especially when they make contradictory statements.
Yes the US is much worse. Yes capitalism is a sham. Yes racism is the single most evil and destructive idea in world history and must be dismantled. Yes the historical Dessalines was a hero.
You tried to disprove their existence rather than prove their existence? That’s not how anything works?
It is not possible to prove something absolutely. It is possible to disprove things. This is also how science works. There is a ton of evidence supporting the existence of these camps, but others have made fair claims that this evidence is all suspect. I would like to see official evidence to the contrary of these claims, rather than counter-claims which contradict one another on the existence of these camps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
the burden of proof lies with the one who speaks, not the one who denies
Also not with this claim? It’s impossible to disprove this. You can always say something for how it can be done. Science uses falsifiability but you’re doing it wrong.
The original claim was the meme, I said that internment camps are not at the same level as extermination camps or a campaign of elimination (the full text of what I said is on the mod-log, don’t want to break the rule I broke again by saying more), people asked me to prove that there were internment camps and I offered the well-known Xianjiang camps as an example. Since that exchange the primary argument I’ve had is that I fell for western propaganda, which I admit is possible. So far evidence to the contrary of the existence of the camps in Xianjiang have been claims by Chinese government officials I found myself which contradict one another. No hard evidence disproving any of the mountain of evidence (which could be compromised, I admit) has been offered. I am biased that I tend not to believe massive institutions which are advantaged by presenting specific narratives generally, which is why I don’t just believe what the english-language sources say nor do I believe what the Chinese authorities say without supporting evidence. I find that if there is a mountain of evidence that these camps exist, and if none of the evidence has been contradicted or disproven thus far, then it’s more likely that these camps exist than don’t exist.
Share all these tons of evidence here, please!
Hundreds of links
Damn, dude, you’re not supposed to deep throat the boot. You gotta leave some room for air or you start dissociating and repeating nonsense phrases like this…