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Stop trying to enslave me in a world where my neighbor gets to eat! I wanna live in a world where none of us get to eat, and we work all day to maintain our poverty!
Good job, Marc, now you almost get it! You’re just a bit confused.
I actually came here to defend Marc’s clever rhet.: one of these people paid a Nazi to a status symbol. One of is still using capitalist means to aggregate solidarity.
Nothing stopping you. Well, except for the federal government and its military.
“Nothing” is definitely an interesting way to pronounce “many things”
Remember, the capitalists caused famine all over the place too!
Okay but they weren’t communist about it, so it doesnt count. Stop whining Ireland.
uproar from India, Bangladesh, The Congo, Kenya, and about 100 other countries
Yes but they’re not white so we don’t have to pretend to feel guilty about the atrocities.
Oh yea! Exactly! Thing I should just make that community, because I think that if I keep waiting for the perfect design, and free time, I will just accumulate bans, hatters, and chronic diseases instead.
There is, in fact, a lot stopping people from forming communes all over the place
Worker unions bad, police unions enforcing corporate-aligned government rules good.
Namely, capitalism.
…and if you do, hoooooo boy. I hope you like a coup, because you are going to get a coup.… or sanctions… or a blockade… or all three.
And don’t get too big or the FBI or ATF is on their way
That’s just a shitty thing to say. As if the CIA doesn’t do this work, local business owners and sheriffs won’t form a militia, or any of dozens of other federal agencies don’t put in the work murdering people for trying to share.
Is there? There are hundreds of giant worker co ops here in brazil, and I know multiple people who live in amarchist communities in the wooxds. Most of them don’t last very long, but they do try, and then stop on theirbown accord.
BTW, a giant worker co op named Aurora was responaible for slave like conditions in one of their many grape farms.
I can only really speak for the US it doesn’t seem to go over too well here, and uh, americans making a commune in south america doesn’t have a really good track record either lol
“Nothing stopping you” except the government. “Which government?” Most of them.
Nothing is stopping you from forming communes all over the place
The USSR, Cuba, North Korea, and Vietnam famously forming unopposed. Capitalists and feudalists famously did not try to invade them and overturn their elections.
USSR
I swear, one more time I hear about this shithole being called a good example of a communist country I’m gonna obliterate someone’s crotch.
It was a fucking earth shattering dictaroship without an ounce of actual communal care and cooperation.
What about the colonial control and possession of those countries before like in Asia, Africa, and the Americas? The SSRs that made it up before their revolution were just as fucked over and destroyed as Cuba, Vietnam, China, Korea, Angola, Algiers etc due to colonialism. Maybe a world built on colonialism should have been shattered, and those people should be allowed to run their own show. You think revolutions occur because people were happy before? Its the last resort of an annihilated people.
What about the colonial control and possession of those countries before like in Asia, Africa, and the Americas?
What those countries? Because I see nothing in my previous comment this could refer to.
The SSRs that made it up before their revolution were just as fucked over and destroyed as Cuba, Vietnam, China, Korea, Angola, Algiers etc due to colonialism.
Yes, that’s why you can’t just jump from a decaying broken land straight into communist paradise and call it a day. That’s just not gonna work, and that’s what Marx was really precise about. You can’t transition into a communist country without first being a very prosperous socialist country. USSR was a poor, imperialist, corrupt, and deranged authoritarian project that was producing more poor, imperalist, corrupt and deranged authoritarian satellites of big momma rassiya.
Maybe a world built on colonialism should have been shattered, and those people should be allowed to run their own show.
Sure, so what? Because that’s clearly not something USSR was striving for. DEFINITELY not the last part.
You think revolutions occur because people were happy before? Its the last resort of an annihilated people.
Once again, I’ve no idea what you’re getting at if you’re somehow referring to my previous comment
hop into your time machine and go back 80 years and say that to my face
I would gladly run off and form a commune with a bunch of my like-minded friends, too bad we’re all broke workers and can’t afford even a house between us, let alone a plot of land big enough to support ourselves
Its not the cool communism unless you steal it from capitalists anyway.
True, I was just being snarky about the “just get some friends and make a commune” idea
“But if your ‘experiment’ works too well…”
To them communism is what capitalism is to us
This assigns too much legitimacy to the position. The working class are not capitalists because we have no capital with which to commit legal theft through property law or pay thugs to enforce those laws with violence.
The working class under capitalism are beholden to systems they often do not understand, cannot exercise agency within, and are actively stymied from prospering under.
Capitalism dehumanizes even those who support it. Those who support it are conditioned to reflexively demonize alternative systems. To rise above this culturally ingrained propaganda and advocate for alternatives requires seeing capitalism for what it is.
Alternative systems are to them what the bogeyman is to children.
to us
To all of us including them.
“Nothing is stopping you” - actually not true, you need government permission and they will just say no.
Every single attempt at establishing a communist society was fought tooth and nail every step of the way by capitalists. By any means necessary.
Yep. Everything is designed to force individualism. You need to buy a house, illegal to live in a tent even if you own land which is comparably cheap.
So I can legally buy an acre of woodland for under £20k, possibly £10k at a push though they usually charge more per area for small patches, depends on location. I could also build several cabins or put up multiple tents, so far all legal.
The moment someone lives there, illegal. The government can now seize the property. They have done so in the past when people have tried.
The moment someone lives there, illegal. The government can now seize the property. They have done so in the past when people have tried.
Wat? please tell me you are exaggerating
No. You need permission from the (local) government to live anywhere. Houses come with this permission, but if you buy a field or woodland it does not. Fuck all chance of getting it outside of some very special edge cases.
In Caliban and the Witch, Silvia Federici proposes that even before the 1500s as a process of primitive accumulation, proto capitalist used the witch purges in Europe to usher in the family structures required to begin capitalism, killing hundreds of thousands of women in the process.
I love a good quote with source! Isn’t the actual figure highly disputed?
Yeah, it really depends on how you track it. Modern estimations place it from 40-60 thousand official executions. However that does not count lynchings, people who died in prison, or while being questioned or because of their torture afterwards.
I had an argument with a friend where he was like “capitalism is everywhere because it works!! How can you say communism is good when it doesn’t survive but capitalism does!” It’s like yeah bombing and invading other countries worked, that doesn’t mean that it’s a good thing we want to keep happening…
Thats like saying monarchy works because all republics were destroyed by monarchies
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