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    1 day ago

    what if native Americans wanted to evict all non-natives?

    Why do you assume Native Americans would act exactly like white fascists do?

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        11 hours ago

        Why do you assume my white owners aren’t going to do this to me?

        And that’s my “assumption” (according to you) because…?

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          Because I’m being charitable and if you werent, the concern you were talking about would be just, like ‘but imagine the guy signing the papers to make you homeless and is wearing a feather head dress while he does it!’

          I was giving you the benefit of the doubt on being a weird kind of absurd degree of racist or boot licker. I… Guess I can drop that assumption if you like?

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        24 hours ago

        It’s totally just a hypothetical.

        Even hypotheticals must be based on grounding assumptions… what was yours based on?

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          23 hours ago

          I was originally thinking of Israel and the greater Israel project but didn’t want to touch on that topic and somehow I’m still regretting it. We’re getting away now from what the hypothetical was for aka scenarios where people in group X want people in group Y’s land in any sense or scenario no longer specified by anything or any hypotheticals whatsoever.

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            14 hours ago

            So I’ve actually known indigenous folks! They generally don’t want me to leave the country and die until they date me.

            And until pretty recently, most Palestinians just wanted someplace to live and make a living. They didn’t mind living alongside filthy Zionist rape monsters, new buildings put together a little taller and no new settlers imported. No idea what the general vibe is now.

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              14 hours ago

              It’s a random hypothetical, I guess I should have used aliens because everyone is kinda hyper fixating on the example hypothetical and not the actual point of the discussion.

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                14 hours ago

                No, I responded to that too.went with your extreme straw manned misunderstanding by pointing out that we have a shitty corporation that already does that. You asked if I owned any children. I think you just want excuses to be scared of others having agency.

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                  13 hours ago

                  It’s more so to point out that some may have a reason to hold onto what they have and the original point of group X taking from group Y would apply to your example as well.

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            23 hours ago

            I was originally thinking of Israel and the greater Israel project

            Israel is a white supremacist settler-colonialist project that acts like a white supremacist settler-colonialist project… it’s a pretty cut-and-dried situation.

            but didn’t want to touch on that topic

            Why not? It’s a very easy topic to touch.

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              22 hours ago

              Once again it’s just a hypothetical about any scenario where group X may want group Y’s land regardless of the details. Maybe group X is good maybe they are bad maybe this maybe that, I think we can step away from the specifics because we’re moving away from the original point. Now you’re kinda proving why, it’s because I thought it would guide the conversation into being about the hypothetical more than the original point which is why I said I guess I should have used aliens.

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                11 hours ago

                Once again it’s just a hypothetical about any scenario where group X may want group Y’s land regardless of the details.

                Those details are important.

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                  10 hours ago

                  Yes, in specific circumstances from an outside observer Z. From the perspective of X and Y obviously they feel justified regardless of circumstances.

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                    1 hour ago

                    in specific circumstances

                    No, in all circumstances. For instance, the justifications of the coloniser can be dismissed out of hand - in all circumstances.

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                There’s literally no way anyone can live alongside a Zionist. They’ll rape them murder them and post it on twitter, then piss on the corpse and feed it to the dogs they use torape prisoners when they get tired.

                I’ve had indigenous roommates, and there was hardly any murder or rape involved at all. Nobody had a dog, and nobody pissed on anyone but themselves, and even that only when they had done lots of drugs.

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                  14 hours ago

                  Now we’re definitely getting away from the general argument I started with (⁠┛⁠◉⁠Д⁠◉⁠)⁠┛⁠彡⁠┻⁠━⁠┻