Who cares? They’ll just be modeled like the commissary.
This thread shows no one in the US read Settlers. I think it is pretty typical yanquis that 99% of them will bomb my family to save 20 cents on gas then think I should cheer lead their attempts to reform their society just enough to keep doing it. Death to the USA.
People who can’t afford food care, and by creating a price floor, even prices at for-profit grocery stores will be affected.
Kroger is supposedly going to test run lowered prices.
True stuffing the peoples faces is one of the best ways to stop a revolution.
So you simultaneously see this as deflating revolutionary spirit and also don’t care about revolutionary spirit because you see the American working class as a lost cause? This is just edgelord bs.
I don’t see it as a revolutionary act I see it as a counter revolutionary measure designed to placate the radicalism that was slowly built up. I’ve said this before Zohran represents the death of radicalism.
You ain’t wrong. He threw his wife under the bus.
FUCK this noise.
The “middle” class in the US, the folks still buying houses and cars, DoorDashing from Whole Foods and shit - allllll the folks “propping up the economy” by floating on generational money from “the good old days” - that’s who needs to suffer and become radicalized, if anything is to change.
The fucking poor here have done their bit, they have nothing left to offer and will continue to be mercilessly preyed upon by so many doing so much better. Let them eat some cheap food. Fuck your idea of “revolution”, you sound fucking gross.
Revolution is not a dinner party. “Some Chinese dude idk who cares”
Do you think change will come without conflict? Do you think if the citizens of the united States get health care they’ll stop being imperialists? No it takes people who are willing to sacrifice things who change things. The intellectuals who led the Bolsheviks weren’t the catalyst of change in Russia, it was four years of war despotic rulership and oppression which made the Russian people rise up AND CHOOSE THE BOLSHEVIKS to lead them. Without the people the Bolsheviks would of just been a bumch of nerds who argued a lot. Lenin knew this. Like holy shit I bet I could get some person on this forum to rant about kautsky for an hour, but god forbid you criticize the so called radicals who feed you peanuts so that you’re placated enough to feel like our society doesn’t need more change. Kautsky and other social democrats achieved a lot more social change in a lot less time than Zohran ever will by opening up a couple of food co ops, which honestly are pretty fucking common all over the world. The fact that American leftists see this as such an abnormality shows the poverty of their view of radical change.
Don’t get me wrong I hate that westerns only have the French revolution as a barometer for change but honestly it gets shit done sometimes. Revolution is a chaotic act, and pretending like nobody might get hurt is insanely idealistic, if you want to go down the reformist path then you guys have to be willing to be a lot more radical as reformists because that’s what opens the door for even more revolutionary change. We need a stab in the dark right now and while also trying to remember the mistakes that revolutionaries before us made, Zohran only got elected because people wanted him to be elected and that’s something we need to grapple with. The left kind of does have a lot of power right now and Zohran should be less coy about using it. Fuck just fufilling the campaign promises, push these people. Let’s get real here NYC might be underwater in 100 years so who cares if he built a couple of groceriy stores. If you want me to get hyped about reformism then atleast start talking about banning cars.
We know from Covid that its possible to lower our Co2 outputs and still live insanely comfortable lives, most of the misery people had to live with during Covid was due to a political choice not to redistribute wealth. Sorry if I’m an asshole for not giving a shit about NYC. What fucks up my mind more is knowing that some poor guys in India are dying having to pave roads when its 40 fucking degrees outside and unless we in the imperial core do something it will only get worse. Hell even extracting all the minerals and resources we need through the magic of unequal exchange will start becoming difficult when parts of the Congo just become in inhabitable because of climate change. This system is insanely broken and I’m cynical, but I’m also hopeful because I know that humans can use their brains to solve problems, we just need to start actually addressing them.
I will always feel worse about that uncontacted tribe in the andamans islands sinking because of the fuckery we do then somebody having to live off coca cola and Kraft’s Mac and cheese in NYC.
Whole lotta wrong assumptions about what I think here, don’t appreciate that and won’t spend my time correcting them.
I’m largely in agreement with plenty of this, but regardless, NYC poor ain’t delivering revolution. More generally, poor in the US aren’t either, while so much of the country just keeps it moving like nothing is all that wrong.
The middle class has to suffer, for change. The poor have done their bit. I’m not asking you to be excited, I’m asking you to stop talking about living human beings - the ones already suffering the worst - as pawns to use. It’s wrong, and gross, no matter the goals.
Gross AND sociopathic
Also one of the best ways to stop people from starving.
What if all the multi millionaires and billionaires on the american left started paying to feed people, they all have more than enough money to do that. Oh no wait they’re still capitalists who care more about themselves than any ideological project.
You know what? Good point! We shouldn’t even bother trying to make groceries more affordable until we can do this!
Not sure why you’re saying that like anyone here would disagree with you. That’s not some profound realization. That’s something that every other person in this thread already knows.
Because I got like five responses when I said who cares all trying to justify why I should care about the plight of the Americans. If you all already know this why try justify to me that helping and caring about Americans is a good thing actually, they would literally put most of us in camps if they thought they would get some minor social democratic reform out of it.
I’m pretty sure I just had a stroke while attempting to parse this dumbass comment.
Who the fuck is putting people in camps for minor social democratic reforms? What world do you live in?
This sounds accelerationist. We can’t organize the working class into revolution by being indifferent to their needs. It’s no way to build trust.
I really don’t care what happens to the american working class or left sorry. I don’t consider them to be comrades they’re selfish and will use any chance to enrich themselves off of the back of a movement they don’t care about anything outside of the USA, they’re the epitome of labor aristocrats. I regret spending so many years of my life helping them for free, meanwhile they cashed in six figure checks for other peoples labor.
Sorry for assuming you are in the imperial core.
What would you suggest the extremely few anti-imperialist socialists in the core do?
Worth noting, approximately 18% of American adults earn more than $100,000 a year.
They call it the K-shaped economy. There’s an upper portion of the working class whose lives only get better (high wages, private property, investments) and a lower portion whose lives only get worse. It’s hard to believe that someone who is going to work a low wage job until they die so they can give most of their paycheck to a landlord is bourgeoisified by imperial superprofits.
I know what a k shaped economy is. The American left is completely hijacked by Zionists. Ever heard the saying that if there is a Nazi in the bar you’re drinking at, you’re in a Nazi bar. Same goes for Zionists if there are Zionists in the movement you’re a part of you’re in a Zionist party.
What left? The Democrats? lol
The US working class, on the other hand? I don’t have a breakdown by income, but 60% of U.S. adults have an unfavorable view of Israel these days. I suspect if you mapped that onto the 80/20 split in incomes you’d see a strong correlation.
The US working class is being debourgeoisified by the war, incomes will be eaten by inflation and people will blame Israel for it. That’s not exactly correct, the US and Israel are part of the same Zionist entity, but blaming Israel is a good first step.
Times are changing.
BAD take, omg
No sorry I have 0 solidarity with the American left, the best thing to happen for the left in the rest of the world would be the United States falling into a civil war.
i mean me too, but this helps nothing
Nothing says progressive like making sweeping generalizations about a massive number of people, and wanting them all to literally die over some perceived slight. People who ostensibly agree with you about 98% of the time.
Go away, that shit is toxic.
The number of people who died from malnutrition in the USA is 1400 people, if you can find another number let me know. Starvation isn’t some major cause of death most in the United States give me a fucking break. My slights aren’t perceived they’re very real I literally can’t even travel to that country and have their security services watching me. Sorry that I don’t love the psychotic empire and its citizens.
Not everything is about you.
What do you think happens in civil wars exactly?
This is a reform won by the masses, people seeing they can do things like this will actually promote socialist revolution in the long run. Especially if and when the capitalists start moving aggressively against these stores, and if and when the Democratic Party starts trying to reel in Mamdani (and prevent him from saving their party with social democracy and prolonging American class peace). We win in a negative way when such things are teased out; and in the meantime, we enjoy some (maybe, big maybe) cheap food.
