Nothing you said contradicts anything I wrote, so I’m struggling to understand why you started your comment this way. To say “everything wrong with my post” then address nothing I wrote… I’m not sure you should be quoting literacy at all.
You’ll find I’m highly critical of both China and the US once we discuss further.
Lastly, there is no chance in hell China’s literacy reached 97%, not will it as long as rural lifestyle continues with no need for it.
Lastly, there is no chance in hell China’s literacy reached 97%, not will it as long as rural lifestyle continues with no need for it.
Whether you think they had need for it doesn’t matter. History shows that every socialist state has put enormous effort into universal literacy. This is not controversial; it’s a settled question among historians.
I just want to clarify, I’m saying there is no need for literacy in some of the rural areas in China. They are farmers, some without basic electricity and plumbing. It’s completely third world, except not in a suffering kind of way. Those are some of the kindest and hospitable people I’ve ever met.
I’m not disagreeing with your idea that socialist states put effort into education. To me education is everything no matter what system you have. Education should be the highest priority of society at large. I’m ecstatic that we might agree on that point.
They are farmers, some without basic electricity and plumbing. It’s completely third world
It was third world, thanks in part to a century of humiliation by the British empire, but everyone has plumbing, electricity, media, and communication now. There are some farmers using Chinese-made technology that already surpasses our own agricultural technology.
Absolutely not true. I lived among these people not long ago. To say “everyone has electricity” is simply false. That’s not true of any country… sadly.
How long ago was this and where? China made a big push against extreme poverty in the years leading up to 2020 and a central element was making sure people had functional housing and plumbing where in some cases people literally lived in a big cave or in huts in remote villages. While poverty in general persists, conditions that bad were basically eliminated.
Edit: I see elsewhere you said 11 years ago, so yeah, I think it’s perfectly likely you encountered something like that if you say you did, but I expect that if you look into how wherever you were is doing now, you’ll see that it has changed because of the national initiative.
No see his 6 months is worth more than my multiple decades because I accurately called him out on being a chauvinist, orientalist and fascist pig while pointing out the MANY issues with his “ideas” and that makes me “emotional”.
He just tried to argue that we should take his word on how evil China is because he went there and “learned from natives about what is really going on.”
Of course that means that he must be believed, the actual “natives” themselves are all brainwashed savages
I am leaning hard on this being bait but also a lot of people across the western internet seem to genuinely believe a lot of what he says so I’m far from certain.
You think this angry, name calling, emotional person is schooling me? I’m a progressive on paper, the Bernie Sanders kind and they’re calling me a Nazi. I’m shocked people would give this type of person a second of thought.
Feel free to ask them about Mao “accidentally” killing 30-50 million people with STARVATION in the name of their oh so beautiful system.
What about throwing musicians and professors in prison for speaking out against the overbearing government?
How about Tiananmen Square?
Does this person even know what these events are? The government actively covers it up to this day. The millennial generation doesn’t even know what these are because it’s forbidden.
No. That’s why I usually say I’m a progressive on paper, but no modern politician represents that definition despite what they may call themselves. I like that Bernie would invest in the environment and tax the shit out corporations and billionaires though.
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Whatever eats at you, I hope improves. We’re all in this life together.
You think this angry, name calling, emotional person is schooling me?
Fuck off back to reddit with this debatebro crap. I’m under no obligation to be nice to your racist ass. And why would I be? Multiple people have tried talking to you in good faith and got dismissed them out of hand. I’m not here to debate you, I’m here to tell you to fuck off.
I’m a progressive on paper, the Bernie Sanders
So, a capitalist. And you’re expecting communists to give you props for that?
Feel free to ask them about Mao “accidentally” killing 30-50 million people with STARVATION in the name of their oh so beautiful system. What about throwing musicians and professors in prison for speaking out against the overbearing government? How about Tiananmen Square?
Lol. I can see why you say you’re only progressive on paper. In practice you’re a standard western Cold War Warrior, repeating far right claims word for word. What argument are you even trying to make? None I suppose, just vomiting out talking points.
Does this person even know what these events are?
Yes, you racist fucking vermin.
The millennial generation doesn’t even know what these are because it’s forbidden.
First off, I’m a progressive. Second, I lived in China for 6 months and I’m telling you the statistic is wrong. I have first hand experience among the many many many rural areas that are basically third world. China historically reports garbage numbers and this one of them. Shocking I know! How could they!
Nah, you’re repeating far-right talking points. You have no counter-evidence other than your belief that underdeveloped rural areas cannot possibly achieve high literacy rates, when exactly that has happened everytime socialism has been established around the world. Further, in recent decades China has been focusing on the urban/rural divide.
First off, I don’t have any right wing, let alone far right propaganda in my life. I’m a progressive. Do you think a MAGA idiot would go live in China themselves? Obviously not.
I don’t actually need evidence to be correct, because I saw it first hand. But I probably can prove it anyways. The simplest way: there are multiple definitions of literacy. They now call it functioning literacy in some cases. Others get very specific such as can they read a newspaper or write a statement about a topic? I do believe China is achieving great things with their younger generations. That, I also saw first hand. Although, they conveniently rewrite history as well. Completely covering up the atrocities the government has caused. That is pretty unforgivable.
Anyways, the older generation is filled with people who are still illiterate. They are not in school. They are not learning. They are working. And mostly happy by the way. Illiteracy is not a criticism on well being. That was someone else’s argument that “they must be doing well because they’ve achieved so much LITERACY.” Those are the happiest people I’ve ever met. Willing to share their food and home with total strangers. Their jobs and their lives and their happiness do not require literacy. That is why they will never change. Only once the younger generation has outlived the older long enough to reach a 97% rate could we call it the achievement you are wanting to believe.
Anyways, none of this has anything to do with my initial statement. Both systems suck! Everyone else is throwing these random statements such as literacy to try to change the argument. Draw it into a which is better contest. It’s just like red and blue politics in America. Fuck all that. We the people, everywhere, deserve better than either of these power and control hungry psychos would have for us. Period.
You do need evidence to back your claims. Literacy rates were chosen as merely one example to prove the effectiveness of socialism in China at dramatically improving people’s lives. One person’s anecdote, especially when said person has no idea about basic socialist concepts like idealism vs. materialism, is not at all sufficient.
The truth is that capitalism sucks, and socialism works. You haven’t demonstrated that you even understand what these systems are, and have been confidently incorrect when others have explained them to you.
You add more invented problems like the idea that the CPC is “hiding atrocities.” Why should anyone take you seriously?
You don’t think the CCP* is hiding history from their people? It’s ironic you think I’m confidentially incorrect when I know for a fact you are. I don’t see this as an argument at all. This is me playing teacher to you so you can go research the many topics covered here that you don’t seem to understand. My original argument is simple. China’s system sucks. The US system sucks.
To think you can even define China’s system as socialism is ridiculous. No modern super power has an economy or government that abides by a single definition.
It is you and others here who have tried to change the argument to something you think you understand to try to “win.” It’s honestly exhausting. I’ve rewritten my thesis about 20 times and it’s still being ignored.
The irony: I like socialism. You people are simply too caught up in your own ego or something to let that sink in.
See, the key flaw here is that I’ve come to the conclusions I have precisely because I’ve researched these topics. You have been given scholarly sources proving you exactly wrong, and your only response is “nuh-uh.” That’s not acceptable proof in any setting, even a comment forum.
As for China’s system, it’s socialist because public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes control the state. It has a highly particular socialist model fit for China’s present conditions, but it is plainly and simply socialist as fits the general characteristics of socialism.
Your thesis is being ignored because of 2 reasons: 1, it’s wrong, and 2, your only source is your own word. When scholarly sources debunking your claims are presented, you just deflect.
You don’t even seem to know what socialism is, and you seem happy to say a socialist country sucks, so your own word saying you like socialism rings extraordinarily hollow.
And it’s CPC, not CCP. Communist Party of X is the international format.
Explain to me how killing 30-50 million people is acceptable in this shining example of socialism. How about genocide? Massacre? What about Tibet? What about the impending invasion in Taiwan? Are these the everyday normal citizens taking their “control” over their system and saying GO FUCKING LEAVE A TRAIL OF BLOOD HERE AND HERE AND HERE?
It’s very very easy to point out that China has a brutal and immoral system with very common sense examples.
I just prefer my personal version because my memories of China were wonderful. As many Chinese visiting the US would agree. But the truth is obvious.
Yes. China has many expats. The information was revealed to the world and the Chinese government’s response? Control the Internet, all foreign media, all history books, etc.
These are extremely well known topics across the globe. Don’t take my word for it lol.
How about 30-50 million dead from starvation while trying to implement communism under Mao? How about Tiananmen Square?
Do you realize that the government punishes those who bring it up and leave it out of the history books for the younger generations?
What about Uyghur genocide?
You can walk around the campus of a Chinese university, ask person after person about the Tiananmen Square massacre and no one knows what the hell you’re talking about.
You think this is the shining example of socialism that should be implemented across the globe?
You mean the one a coalition of multiple Islamic countries investigated and all agreed wasn’t a genocide? The one the UN also investigated and did not call a genocide? The one for which Wikipedia changed its article name to “Mass detention of Uyghurs” because there wasn’t sufficient grounds to call it a genocide and doesn’t give a body count? The one which, despite allegedly occurring in a country with very high rates of cell phone ownership and internet access, has produced no evidence of kill sites or mass graves?
I’ll seriously consider what you’ve said with supporting evidence. It’s the first I’ve heard of this. I’m open to being taught.
One of my experiences in China was witnessing an underground Muslim gathering and religious ceremony. We were warned about why they must operate in secret due to potential government action.
If we do change the statement from genocide to persecution, I suppose China gets a better profile, but I don’t think it is a talking point that “China’s socialism is better than US Capitalism because of their religious freedom.”
My initial argument is still that both systems suck.
This one of the markers I would use for a “good” system:
You want to know who taught me about these things? My Chinese native guide that I traveled with to Tibet, Beijing, and all over rural / urban areas inbetween.
But I guess this real person talking to you with actual experience will just disappear in your thoughts as a nothingburger.
Do you think China educated unwilling old people who have a job like farming in the last ten years? Why? So they can read a book before they die? There’s no point…
I do think China has done a great job of educating the younger generations. And with that many people, it’s a system producing genius after genius. That part is impressive enough and better than the US system.
But China is known for producing fake numbers to always promote their control, patriotism among their people, reduce revolutionaries…
They have completely state controlled media. No independent journalism. Kind of hard to take any of that as a scientifically proven statistic. Do you disagree?
Because I learned China doesn’t report accurate numbers all the time. They have state controlled media since the 40s. I’m a real life person who studied China, lived there, learned from natives about what is really going on. Put yourself in my shoes. Hypothetically, how could you explain this experience differently?
And how does you going to China for six months support any of those claims? Especially when you’re just brushing off the person actually from China (aka, a “native” as you’re racist ass calls him)
You accused the Chinese of being illiterate and I provided statistical evidence. The paragraph you wrote maligning Chinese literacy rates literally starts off with “does anybody have any statistics”.
You reject the statistical evidence because you personally can’t believe it. The rest of the world believes it. Nobody gives a fuck about your opinion when you are so wrong, so many times, in such relatively short comment.
If we can just personally dismiss things we don’t believe in, evidence, statistics, and facts be damned then I don’t believe in you. Are you an actual thinking person with a brain or sinophobic caricature impervious to evidence?
They are very clearly a fascist doing third way dog whistling and even breaking into full techno fascist rhetoric about ai enforcing morals in some replies.
The capitalist subject, so accustomed to being lied to and ripped of by their society, refuses to believe that any socio-economic order can deliver good results for the people in it. This is what passes for “common sense” in capitalist countries: a religious belief that anyone who claims to want to make things better is lying to you.
All idealism regardless of type can be summed up in one belief: that it is not possible to improve the world. Materialism, on the other hand, posits that it is possible. Is it any wonder that Capital goes to such lengths to keep materialist thought out of its public discourse? The worker who believes they cannot improve their lot poses little threat to Capital.
The saddest thing is how “enlightened” they feel in believing that there is no alternative, and that feeling further entrenches them in capitalist realism. Anyone who believes otherwise is a sucker, a naïve utopian.
Nothing you said contradicts anything I wrote, so I’m struggling to understand why you started your comment this way. To say “everything wrong with my post” then address nothing I wrote… I’m not sure you should be quoting literacy at all.
You’ll find I’m highly critical of both China and the US once we discuss further.
Lastly, there is no chance in hell China’s literacy reached 97%, not will it as long as rural lifestyle continues with no need for it.
Whether you think they had need for it doesn’t matter. History shows that every socialist state has put enormous effort into universal literacy. This is not controversial; it’s a settled question among historians.
I just want to clarify, I’m saying there is no need for literacy in some of the rural areas in China. They are farmers, some without basic electricity and plumbing. It’s completely third world, except not in a suffering kind of way. Those are some of the kindest and hospitable people I’ve ever met.
I’m not disagreeing with your idea that socialist states put effort into education. To me education is everything no matter what system you have. Education should be the highest priority of society at large. I’m ecstatic that we might agree on that point.
It was third world, thanks in part to a century of humiliation by the British empire, but everyone has plumbing, electricity, media, and communication now. There are some farmers using Chinese-made technology that already surpasses our own agricultural technology.
China’s Robot Tractors Are Replacing Farmers—Here’s How
Absolutely not true. I lived among these people not long ago. To say “everyone has electricity” is simply false. That’s not true of any country… sadly.
How long ago was this and where? China made a big push against extreme poverty in the years leading up to 2020 and a central element was making sure people had functional housing and plumbing where in some cases people literally lived in a big cave or in huts in remote villages. While poverty in general persists, conditions that bad were basically eliminated.
Edit: I see elsewhere you said 11 years ago, so yeah, I think it’s perfectly likely you encountered something like that if you say you did, but I expect that if you look into how wherever you were is doing now, you’ll see that it has changed because of the national initiative.
“Your claim is false because I’m an 1800s racist”
“That isn’t true because I personally am incredulous about it!”
Very compelling argument.
Oh idk I lived in China and the US. Hope about you? Do you have any personal experience to go off?
“My personal incredulity isn’t enough for you? Well I also have unverified personal anecdotes!”
Uhuh. You’re also getting schooled by an actual Chinese person elsewhere
No see his 6 months is worth more than my multiple decades because I accurately called him out on being a chauvinist, orientalist and fascist pig while pointing out the MANY issues with his “ideas” and that makes me “emotional”.
Yeah, but he’s Le Rational Westerner, he’s different from the inferior foreigner.
He’s carrying the white man’s burden he just needs to reeducate all us untermensch about our real history that only he knows.
He just tried to argue that we should take his word on how evil China is because he went there and “learned from natives about what is really going on.”
Of course that means that he must be believed, the actual “natives” themselves are all brainwashed savages
I am leaning hard on this being bait but also a lot of people across the western internet seem to genuinely believe a lot of what he says so I’m far from certain.
You think this angry, name calling, emotional person is schooling me? I’m a progressive on paper, the Bernie Sanders kind and they’re calling me a Nazi. I’m shocked people would give this type of person a second of thought.
Feel free to ask them about Mao “accidentally” killing 30-50 million people with STARVATION in the name of their oh so beautiful system.
What about throwing musicians and professors in prison for speaking out against the overbearing government?
How about Tiananmen Square?
Does this person even know what these events are? The government actively covers it up to this day. The millennial generation doesn’t even know what these are because it’s forbidden.
Correct. Are you pro genocide like Bernie too?
No. That’s why I usually say I’m a progressive on paper, but no modern politician represents that definition despite what they may call themselves. I like that Bernie would invest in the environment and tax the shit out corporations and billionaires though.
Progressive on paper, right wing weirdo in practice got it.
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Whatever eats at you, I hope improves. We’re all in this life together.
Fuck off back to reddit with this debatebro crap. I’m under no obligation to be nice to your racist ass. And why would I be? Multiple people have tried talking to you in good faith and got dismissed them out of hand. I’m not here to debate you, I’m here to tell you to fuck off.
So, a capitalist. And you’re expecting communists to give you props for that?
Lol. I can see why you say you’re only progressive on paper. In practice you’re a standard western Cold War Warrior, repeating far right claims word for word. What argument are you even trying to make? None I suppose, just vomiting out talking points.
Yes, you racist fucking vermin.
Bullshit
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Go back to reddit, you fucking nerd
Literacy rate by country, 2026. China is at 97%. Get out of the 20th century and turn off Fox News.
First off, I’m a progressive. Second, I lived in China for 6 months and I’m telling you the statistic is wrong. I have first hand experience among the many many many rural areas that are basically third world. China historically reports garbage numbers and this one of them. Shocking I know! How could they!
Nah, you’re repeating far-right talking points. You have no counter-evidence other than your belief that underdeveloped rural areas cannot possibly achieve high literacy rates, when exactly that has happened everytime socialism has been established around the world. Further, in recent decades China has been focusing on the urban/rural divide.
First off, I don’t have any right wing, let alone far right propaganda in my life. I’m a progressive. Do you think a MAGA idiot would go live in China themselves? Obviously not.
I don’t actually need evidence to be correct, because I saw it first hand. But I probably can prove it anyways. The simplest way: there are multiple definitions of literacy. They now call it functioning literacy in some cases. Others get very specific such as can they read a newspaper or write a statement about a topic? I do believe China is achieving great things with their younger generations. That, I also saw first hand. Although, they conveniently rewrite history as well. Completely covering up the atrocities the government has caused. That is pretty unforgivable.
Anyways, the older generation is filled with people who are still illiterate. They are not in school. They are not learning. They are working. And mostly happy by the way. Illiteracy is not a criticism on well being. That was someone else’s argument that “they must be doing well because they’ve achieved so much LITERACY.” Those are the happiest people I’ve ever met. Willing to share their food and home with total strangers. Their jobs and their lives and their happiness do not require literacy. That is why they will never change. Only once the younger generation has outlived the older long enough to reach a 97% rate could we call it the achievement you are wanting to believe.
Anyways, none of this has anything to do with my initial statement. Both systems suck! Everyone else is throwing these random statements such as literacy to try to change the argument. Draw it into a which is better contest. It’s just like red and blue politics in America. Fuck all that. We the people, everywhere, deserve better than either of these power and control hungry psychos would have for us. Period.
You do need evidence to back your claims. Literacy rates were chosen as merely one example to prove the effectiveness of socialism in China at dramatically improving people’s lives. One person’s anecdote, especially when said person has no idea about basic socialist concepts like idealism vs. materialism, is not at all sufficient.
The truth is that capitalism sucks, and socialism works. You haven’t demonstrated that you even understand what these systems are, and have been confidently incorrect when others have explained them to you.
You add more invented problems like the idea that the CPC is “hiding atrocities.” Why should anyone take you seriously?
You don’t think the CCP* is hiding history from their people? It’s ironic you think I’m confidentially incorrect when I know for a fact you are. I don’t see this as an argument at all. This is me playing teacher to you so you can go research the many topics covered here that you don’t seem to understand. My original argument is simple. China’s system sucks. The US system sucks.
To think you can even define China’s system as socialism is ridiculous. No modern super power has an economy or government that abides by a single definition.
It is you and others here who have tried to change the argument to something you think you understand to try to “win.” It’s honestly exhausting. I’ve rewritten my thesis about 20 times and it’s still being ignored.
The irony: I like socialism. You people are simply too caught up in your own ego or something to let that sink in.
Elsewhere you’re claiming that you know about all of the evil China does because Chinese people told you
See, the key flaw here is that I’ve come to the conclusions I have precisely because I’ve researched these topics. You have been given scholarly sources proving you exactly wrong, and your only response is “nuh-uh.” That’s not acceptable proof in any setting, even a comment forum.
As for China’s system, it’s socialist because public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes control the state. It has a highly particular socialist model fit for China’s present conditions, but it is plainly and simply socialist as fits the general characteristics of socialism.
Your thesis is being ignored because of 2 reasons: 1, it’s wrong, and 2, your only source is your own word. When scholarly sources debunking your claims are presented, you just deflect.
You don’t even seem to know what socialism is, and you seem happy to say a socialist country sucks, so your own word saying you like socialism rings extraordinarily hollow.
And it’s CPC, not CCP. Communist Party of X is the international format.
Explain to me how killing 30-50 million people is acceptable in this shining example of socialism. How about genocide? Massacre? What about Tibet? What about the impending invasion in Taiwan? Are these the everyday normal citizens taking their “control” over their system and saying GO FUCKING LEAVE A TRAIL OF BLOOD HERE AND HERE AND HERE?
It’s very very easy to point out that China has a brutal and immoral system with very common sense examples.
I just prefer my personal version because my memories of China were wonderful. As many Chinese visiting the US would agree. But the truth is obvious.
Lol. “Water? Whats that?” Says fish
But that you somehow know about
Yes. China has many expats. The information was revealed to the world and the Chinese government’s response? Control the Internet, all foreign media, all history books, etc.
These are extremely well known topics across the globe. Don’t take my word for it lol.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1127087/
https://www.britannica.com/event/Tiananmen-Square-incident
https://ieres.elliott.gwu.edu/project/chinas-genocide-against-uyghurs/
https://www.columbia.edu/~qc2218/history.html
Lol. And you claim you’re “progressive”
Ya. The Bernie kind. Incredible isn’t it?
I truly love New Zealand’s system by the way. It’s a shining example in the face of the rest of the world’s failure.
Here’s a market that I feel is very relevant for a “good system.”
https://hdr.undp.org/inequality-adjusted-human-development-index#/indicies/IHDI
Do you agree?
Which atrocities were those?
Obviously that abortion tower. But yeah totally not going off any right wing talking points 😂
Anti-China false narratives are bipartisan, so they don’t see it as right wing, because they don’t realize that both parties are right wing.
How about 30-50 million dead from starvation while trying to implement communism under Mao? How about Tiananmen Square?
Do you realize that the government punishes those who bring it up and leave it out of the history books for the younger generations?
What about Uyghur genocide?
You can walk around the campus of a Chinese university, ask person after person about the Tiananmen Square massacre and no one knows what the hell you’re talking about.
You think this is the shining example of socialism that should be implemented across the globe?
No thank you.
You mean the one a coalition of multiple Islamic countries investigated and all agreed wasn’t a genocide? The one the UN also investigated and did not call a genocide? The one for which Wikipedia changed its article name to “Mass detention of Uyghurs” because there wasn’t sufficient grounds to call it a genocide and doesn’t give a body count? The one which, despite allegedly occurring in a country with very high rates of cell phone ownership and internet access, has produced no evidence of kill sites or mass graves?
I’ll seriously consider what you’ve said with supporting evidence. It’s the first I’ve heard of this. I’m open to being taught.
One of my experiences in China was witnessing an underground Muslim gathering and religious ceremony. We were warned about why they must operate in secret due to potential government action.
If we do change the statement from genocide to persecution, I suppose China gets a better profile, but I don’t think it is a talking point that “China’s socialism is better than US Capitalism because of their religious freedom.”
My initial argument is still that both systems suck.
This one of the markers I would use for a “good” system:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_Human_Development_Index
The Inequality Adjusted Human Development Index.
Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland… these are the leaders in this index. How? A high-welfare free market economy.
This is capitalism but with a foundation of human rights built on high taxes using examples like net wealth tax.
Yup, that’s what I thought: you’re as propagandized as everyone else in the imperial core. Just as propagandized as I was 20 years ago.
You want to know who taught me about these things? My Chinese native guide that I traveled with to Tibet, Beijing, and all over rural / urban areas inbetween.
But I guess this real person talking to you with actual experience will just disappear in your thoughts as a nothingburger.
Fine. Tragic, but fine.
You lived in rural China when? 25 years ago? I don’t think you’re aware of the pace of change that’s been happening.
Less than 12 years ago.
Do you think nothing has changed in an entire decade?
The poverty eradication campaign alone has made a dramatic difference, let alone the electrification of China and expansion in solar and EVs.
Do you think China educated unwilling old people who have a job like farming in the last ten years? Why? So they can read a book before they die? There’s no point…
I do think China has done a great job of educating the younger generations. And with that many people, it’s a system producing genius after genius. That part is impressive enough and better than the US system.
But China is known for producing fake numbers to always promote their control, patriotism among their people, reduce revolutionaries…
They have completely state controlled media. No independent journalism. Kind of hard to take any of that as a scientifically proven statistic. Do you disagree?
Bro just straight up called old people useless eaters lmao
It’s known!!!
Fucking bird, stop listening to him, this is a very stupid bird.
You’re going to sit there and tell me that state controlled reporting doesn’t influence their numbers? LOL do some research bro my God
“That can’t be true because I don’t think it is and China Bad”
How exactly would you spending a few months in China in any way affect whether the statistic was correct?
Because I learned China doesn’t report accurate numbers all the time. They have state controlled media since the 40s. I’m a real life person who studied China, lived there, learned from natives about what is really going on. Put yourself in my shoes. Hypothetically, how could you explain this experience differently?
A mix of you being racist and likely lying.
And how does you going to China for six months support any of those claims? Especially when you’re just brushing off the person actually from China (aka, a “native” as you’re racist ass calls him)
I call myself a native Californian. Maybe it’s a cultural thing that makes you think it’s racist?
Honestly you’ve gotten just about as toxic as the other guy. I’m concerned a good faith argument is no longer possible. I hope you prove me wrong.
Fuck off. You were never arguing in good faith in the first place, and you deserve vastly more toxicity than you’re getting
I only argue in good faith. The very idea that people deserve toxicity is more aligned with fascism than anything I’ve said.
You accused the Chinese of being illiterate and I provided statistical evidence. The paragraph you wrote maligning Chinese literacy rates literally starts off with “does anybody have any statistics”.
You reject the statistical evidence because you personally can’t believe it. The rest of the world believes it. Nobody gives a fuck about your opinion when you are so wrong, so many times, in such relatively short comment.
If we can just personally dismiss things we don’t believe in, evidence, statistics, and facts be damned then I don’t believe in you. Are you an actual thinking person with a brain or sinophobic caricature impervious to evidence?
You asked:
They answered that is not that many???
Because a bird told you?
I think their source is much worse, after all they write things like this:
They are very clearly a fascist doing third way dog whistling and even breaking into full techno fascist rhetoric about ai enforcing morals in some replies.
True capitalism was never achieved!
The capitalist subject, so accustomed to being lied to and ripped of by their society, refuses to believe that any socio-economic order can deliver good results for the people in it. This is what passes for “common sense” in capitalist countries: a religious belief that anyone who claims to want to make things better is lying to you.
All idealism regardless of type can be summed up in one belief: that it is not possible to improve the world. Materialism, on the other hand, posits that it is possible. Is it any wonder that Capital goes to such lengths to keep materialist thought out of its public discourse? The worker who believes they cannot improve their lot poses little threat to Capital.
The saddest thing is how “enlightened” they feel in believing that there is no alternative, and that feeling further entrenches them in capitalist realism. Anyone who believes otherwise is a sucker, a naïve utopian.
The This is Fine dog but you’re trying to hand him a fire extinguisher and he rolls his eyes and says “Pfft sure buddy, you think I’m stupid?”