You don’t think the CCP* is hiding history from their people? It’s ironic you think I’m confidentially incorrect when I know for a fact you are. I don’t see this as an argument at all. This is me playing teacher to you so you can go research the many topics covered here that you don’t seem to understand. My original argument is simple. China’s system sucks. The US system sucks.
To think you can even define China’s system as socialism is ridiculous. No modern super power has an economy or government that abides by a single definition.
It is you and others here who have tried to change the argument to something you think you understand to try to “win.” It’s honestly exhausting. I’ve rewritten my thesis about 20 times and it’s still being ignored.
The irony: I like socialism. You people are simply too caught up in your own ego or something to let that sink in.
See, the key flaw here is that I’ve come to the conclusions I have precisely because I’ve researched these topics. You have been given scholarly sources proving you exactly wrong, and your only response is “nuh-uh.” That’s not acceptable proof in any setting, even a comment forum.
As for China’s system, it’s socialist because public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes control the state. It has a highly particular socialist model fit for China’s present conditions, but it is plainly and simply socialist as fits the general characteristics of socialism.
Your thesis is being ignored because of 2 reasons: 1, it’s wrong, and 2, your only source is your own word. When scholarly sources debunking your claims are presented, you just deflect.
You don’t even seem to know what socialism is, and you seem happy to say a socialist country sucks, so your own word saying you like socialism rings extraordinarily hollow.
And it’s CPC, not CCP. Communist Party of X is the international format.
Explain to me how killing 30-50 million people is acceptable in this shining example of socialism. How about genocide? Massacre? What about Tibet? What about the impending invasion in Taiwan? Are these the everyday normal citizens taking their “control” over their system and saying GO FUCKING LEAVE A TRAIL OF BLOOD HERE AND HERE AND HERE?
It’s very very easy to point out that China has a brutal and immoral system with very common sense examples.
I just prefer my personal version because my memories of China were wonderful. As many Chinese visiting the US would agree. But the truth is obvious.
I know this clown has been banned, but for anyone reading this shit, I’m just going to point out that the only people who benefit from this type of thinking are the capital class.
So… my PhD Chinese friend says China will likely invade Taiwan if the US engages a ground invasion in Iran.
I said, no fucking way bro.
He said ya, because the US will be spread too thin. It’s a good opportunity for China to take control of the state with almost no recourse.
I asked, but what about the TCMC?
His response was that China isn’t interested in Taiwan for that reason, rather that it’s a historical mark that persists as a blemish in the “unification of China.”
We both agree it’s not very logical.
I admit that not an A+ source, but I believe he knows more about it than me and based on decades of political rhetoric surrounding Taiwan - it’s highly likely he’s right. China does not hide the fact they will take Taiwan as soon as the US cannot respond.
I’m not sure why that would even be a question. The US is only reason the impending invasion of Taiwan has not yet occurred. This is all very easily verifiable.
This is not a logical or reasonable comparison at all. The point is about having a culturally relevant person interested in the topics that allow us to bring relevant perspectives to the table. It’s much better as an example than say… a podcast like Joe Rogan and his buddies discussing war tactics.
None of that remotely changes how ludicrously bad faith it was for to demand Cowbee justify something China hasn’t done.
And boy oh boy do you love claiming that your assertions are unquestionably true because you heard it from a Chinese person, meanwhile you dismissed the actual Chinese person here who disagrees with you out of hand
I don’t think China feels a need to rush integration when they believe it’s already overdetermined, inevitable. And Taiwan isn’t going anywhere. China knows the imperialist states are in decline, having financialized/de-industrialized themselves into paper tigers. I think this war is likely to make that clear to everyone, including Taiwan’s bourgeoisie.
Oh, gish-gallop! Throwing random bullshit at us with absolutely no sources in the hopes that it will tire us.
Explain to me how killing 30-50 million people is acceptable in this shining example of socialism
Assuming you mean via famine, famine in China was not deliberate, and was common pre-socialism. Socialism ended famine in China, and as a result life expectancy doubled:
How about genocide?
There is no genocide committed by the PRC.
Massacre?
What exactly are you referring to here? The crackdown on the western-backed Beijing riots back in 1989?
What about Tibet?
Tibet was a torturous feudal system built on slavery, backed by the CIA to oppose the rising socialist system in China. The PLA liberated Tibet, and now quality of life for the working classes in Tibet is skyrocketing.
What about the impending invasion in Taiwan?
There is no “impending invasion of Taiwan.” Taiwan is internationally recognized as a part of the PRC, and the CPC is waiting on Taiwan to willingly fully reunify with the mainland of their own volition. The US presence on Taiwan makes this difficult.
Are these the everyday normal citizens taking their “control” over their system and saying GO FUCKING LEAVE A TRAIL OF BLOOD HERE AND HERE AND HERE?
It seems most like you support feudalism, slavery, torture, and othet far-right institutions and governments. Yes, ending famine, protecting socialism, and liberating the working classes is worker democracy in practice.
It’s very very easy to point out that China has a brutal and immoral system with very common sense examples.
If your “common sense” is “actually, feudalism and slavery is good” then you need to reconsider your “common sense.”
But the truth is obvious.
The truth is indeed obvious, that’s why you can’t source any of your bullshit.
I’ll tell you what. I’ll source all my information in good faith, if you do first. You’ve made a bunch of claims I’ve never heard of in this comment which basically blames all of China’s violence on the west.
And frankly, no. 50 million dying to famine is the singular greatest loss of life in all of human history. More than world war. To just say oh that’s common is crazy. Please please tell me that was shooting from the hip and you recognize this fallacy.
I’ve sourced my claims thus far already and you never responded to that. Famine was common in China, and factually ended by the communists. Do you think I just drew that graph myself? You made your bullshit claims, back them up. Here are some sources for you:
Feel free to read through more of my comments. We truly did come to some mutual ground and will probably continue to work on it. Also 14 hours to read several research papers and respond in kind is crazy bro. I have a job and a life lol
You don’t think the CCP* is hiding history from their people? It’s ironic you think I’m confidentially incorrect when I know for a fact you are. I don’t see this as an argument at all. This is me playing teacher to you so you can go research the many topics covered here that you don’t seem to understand. My original argument is simple. China’s system sucks. The US system sucks.
To think you can even define China’s system as socialism is ridiculous. No modern super power has an economy or government that abides by a single definition.
It is you and others here who have tried to change the argument to something you think you understand to try to “win.” It’s honestly exhausting. I’ve rewritten my thesis about 20 times and it’s still being ignored.
The irony: I like socialism. You people are simply too caught up in your own ego or something to let that sink in.
Elsewhere you’re claiming that you know about all of the evil China does because Chinese people told you
See, the key flaw here is that I’ve come to the conclusions I have precisely because I’ve researched these topics. You have been given scholarly sources proving you exactly wrong, and your only response is “nuh-uh.” That’s not acceptable proof in any setting, even a comment forum.
As for China’s system, it’s socialist because public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes control the state. It has a highly particular socialist model fit for China’s present conditions, but it is plainly and simply socialist as fits the general characteristics of socialism.
Your thesis is being ignored because of 2 reasons: 1, it’s wrong, and 2, your only source is your own word. When scholarly sources debunking your claims are presented, you just deflect.
You don’t even seem to know what socialism is, and you seem happy to say a socialist country sucks, so your own word saying you like socialism rings extraordinarily hollow.
And it’s CPC, not CCP. Communist Party of X is the international format.
Explain to me how killing 30-50 million people is acceptable in this shining example of socialism. How about genocide? Massacre? What about Tibet? What about the impending invasion in Taiwan? Are these the everyday normal citizens taking their “control” over their system and saying GO FUCKING LEAVE A TRAIL OF BLOOD HERE AND HERE AND HERE?
It’s very very easy to point out that China has a brutal and immoral system with very common sense examples.
I just prefer my personal version because my memories of China were wonderful. As many Chinese visiting the US would agree. But the truth is obvious.
by that logic, over 100 million people died because of the united states; so it’s still better
How foolish to debate which mass murderer is better.
Both systems suck.
I know this clown has been banned, but for anyone reading this shit, I’m just going to point out that the only people who benefit from this type of thinking are the capital class.
Lol. “Explain how something that hasn’t happened is ok!”
Because it hasn’t happened, dumbass. How is New Zealand nuking Canada in the future ok?
So… my PhD Chinese friend says China will likely invade Taiwan if the US engages a ground invasion in Iran.
I said, no fucking way bro.
He said ya, because the US will be spread too thin. It’s a good opportunity for China to take control of the state with almost no recourse.
I asked, but what about the TCMC?
His response was that China isn’t interested in Taiwan for that reason, rather that it’s a historical mark that persists as a blemish in the “unification of China.”
We both agree it’s not very logical.
I admit that not an A+ source, but I believe he knows more about it than me and based on decades of political rhetoric surrounding Taiwan - it’s highly likely he’s right. China does not hide the fact they will take Taiwan as soon as the US cannot respond.
I’m not sure why that would even be a question. The US is only reason the impending invasion of Taiwan has not yet occurred. This is all very easily verifiable.
So? Seriously, so? That’s completely meaningless. “My mate said it could happen so it’s actually already happened!”
Well my mate said that you’re going to murder your family, so how about you explain why it’s ok that you murdered your family?
This is not a logical or reasonable comparison at all. The point is about having a culturally relevant person interested in the topics that allow us to bring relevant perspectives to the table. It’s much better as an example than say… a podcast like Joe Rogan and his buddies discussing war tactics.
None of that remotely changes how ludicrously bad faith it was for to demand Cowbee justify something China hasn’t done.
And boy oh boy do you love claiming that your assertions are unquestionably true because you heard it from a Chinese person, meanwhile you dismissed the actual Chinese person here who disagrees with you out of hand
I don’t think China feels a need to rush integration when they believe it’s already overdetermined, inevitable. And Taiwan isn’t going anywhere. China knows the imperialist states are in decline, having financialized/de-industrialized themselves into paper tigers. I think this war is likely to make that clear to everyone, including Taiwan’s bourgeoisie.
Oh, gish-gallop! Throwing random bullshit at us with absolutely no sources in the hopes that it will tire us.
Assuming you mean via famine, famine in China was not deliberate, and was common pre-socialism. Socialism ended famine in China, and as a result life expectancy doubled:
There is no genocide committed by the PRC.
What exactly are you referring to here? The crackdown on the western-backed Beijing riots back in 1989?
Tibet was a torturous feudal system built on slavery, backed by the CIA to oppose the rising socialist system in China. The PLA liberated Tibet, and now quality of life for the working classes in Tibet is skyrocketing.
There is no “impending invasion of Taiwan.” Taiwan is internationally recognized as a part of the PRC, and the CPC is waiting on Taiwan to willingly fully reunify with the mainland of their own volition. The US presence on Taiwan makes this difficult.
It seems most like you support feudalism, slavery, torture, and othet far-right institutions and governments. Yes, ending famine, protecting socialism, and liberating the working classes is worker democracy in practice.
If your “common sense” is “actually, feudalism and slavery is good” then you need to reconsider your “common sense.”
The truth is indeed obvious, that’s why you can’t source any of your bullshit.
I’ll tell you what. I’ll source all my information in good faith, if you do first. You’ve made a bunch of claims I’ve never heard of in this comment which basically blames all of China’s violence on the west.
And frankly, no. 50 million dying to famine is the singular greatest loss of life in all of human history. More than world war. To just say oh that’s common is crazy. Please please tell me that was shooting from the hip and you recognize this fallacy.
I’ve sourced my claims thus far already and you never responded to that. Famine was common in China, and factually ended by the communists. Do you think I just drew that graph myself? You made your bullshit claims, back them up. Here are some sources for you:
Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth
Taiwan: An Anti-Imperialist Resource
Tian’anmen Protests Reading List
Socialism With Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners
Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation
Go ahead, read the sources I’ve linked previously and in this comment. Rethink your argument after that.
Ok. Thank you. I will do my best to do so in a timely manner.
Annnnd he didn’t. How completely unsurprising.
Hey at least he came around to admitting he’s an idiot who was arrogantly spouting off with literally 0 knowledge on anything.
Feel free to read through more of my comments. We truly did come to some mutual ground and will probably continue to work on it. Also 14 hours to read several research papers and respond in kind is crazy bro. I have a job and a life lol
Go for it, make sure to read with an open mind.
Lol. No you won’t