What the title says. Well intentioned, often other “neurodivergent” people look at your life, your autism, and say: “you should mask harder.”

For example, I accidentally said something that offended a friend. Won’t go into detail, but it was me unintentionally coming off as arrogant, not something bad like a slur or hate speech.

I asked for advice (elsewhere) and the advice was universally, “you see, NT avoid this topic at all costs. Going forwards, know it is best to avoid this topic.”

But isn’t this just saying “mask harder and be more palatable for everyone else”?

Every piece of “autism advice” I see even in “neurodivergent friendly” communities is basically “how to be less autistic.”

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    16 hours ago

    If I could will myself into being less autistic…I wouldnt even be here. So what gives? Is it clueless NT allies?

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      It’s a skill that we find harder to master than others. That’s all.

      Some are naturally gifted at math. Some can learn a new language effortlessly. Others have to practice and pay attention carefully or they make an error.

      It took me 30 years. My personality is now permanently different. It’s no longer a mask just like learning a language and culture eventually becomes normal.

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        Well, NT people mask too. I thought the goal of these communities was “ND dont need to mask 24/7! Accept who you are!” and then I hear “But limit your personality in public, it makes others uncomfortable.”

        People (including other autistic people) treat my autism as a liability and a nuisance. Thanks! I knew that!

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          I think there are situations where consciously choosing to follow a social convention against one’s “natural” inclination (which I think is a type of masking) is a good idea. For example, if someone has recently experienced a death in their family, I might think twice about making death-related jokes, or even bringing up the subject of death at all. I don’t think these rules are inviolable; with the right context I think humor can help with grief. But I think it requires a level of intimacy with the person grieving and their relationship with the deceased, and thoughtlessly saying any thing that comes to mind can cause fresh hurts for someone already hurting a lot. That’s a rule that I consciously try to follow and think very carefully before I break it.

          There are other rules that I will willingly and gleefully break because I think they’re harmful, e.g. “It’s [unpatriotic / blasphemous / rude] to criticize [the government / church leaders / authorities]”. That rule is bad and exists to reinforce the power of people who already have power, so I deliberately try to break it, and I try to catch myself when I find myself unintentionally following it.

          I think a lot of “just mask harder” advice comes down to people’s (well-founded or otherwise) belief that a certain rule should be followed, sometimes without question (I often find this axiomatic take explained with some variant of “that’s just the rule”). I like learning about the rule even if I take the implicit recommendation of following the rule with a grain of salt, but I do find the implication that rules have to be followed because they’re rules tiring.

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            Don’t call your mother fat, don’t push the person standing at the crosswalk in front of a bus, don’t cut someone’s hair when sitting behind them because it bothers you… Socially unaccepted actions, why, because they are. In another universe they all may be acceptable. Our cultures calls them rude, murder, and possibly assault or maybe just impolite. Why. Because stuff and things. Mostly, it’ll hurt someone’s feelings.

            Really I think it is, our freedom ends where anothers begins. Thus, we are free to do what we wish, but if your happiness impeeds on anothers happiness, then there is an issue.

            Edit*. When the law doesn’t match that, then I feeo government has failed

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              I don’t think the reasoning behind unspoken customs is unknowable or arbitrary. I think part of being a good person is analyzing the rules that are handed down by our elders and deciding which are good to follow and which are good to leave behind. Circumstances change, new information comes to light that our parents weren’t privy to. Or, maybe they just made convenient or selfish choices when deciding which rules were important. Sometimes those convenient or selfish choices get codified into law, and when they do, it’s up to us to fix them. I dunno if that’s government failing so much as it’s just how government works.

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                Makes sense, thank you for your response. I am often unsure how to make sure people know that I am being sarcastic or sincere. So thank you for your input. Appreciated

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                New information coming to light is 90% propaganda, 10% truth. If we got rid of all borders and made all insurance companies illegal while saying denying a person care in terms of health would put your organization in prison. It would fix nationalism immediately, drag health costs down, and fix many issues people struggle with. The person who works for their family isn’t an issue, the government that doesn’t let them is. It doesn’t matter where or who they are, they were segregated due to old rules, mainly the British decision to segregate to isolate and isolate and divide to rule. Did wars happen before then, yes. But the way to end all wars isn’t through segregation, but rather assimilation throughly so all are accepted without question.

                Sorry, end rant

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                  All is well. I also find the problem overwhelming when I try to think about it all at once, all the cruelty we inflict on each other because we were taught to, or because it feels easier to keep rules that afford us the barest of privilege over our neighbors. It’s a lot.