cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7804222
You can tell this is fake because the USA soldier would shoot the child as well
cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7804222
You can tell this is fake because the USA soldier would shoot the child as well
Yes. Those do not conflict.
The criticism is simultaneously both dumb and valid?
How could someone with “math” in their name be this bad at simple logic? Oh, “christian”. Got it.
Ok so now we’re just doing religious discrimination?
The only good kind of discrimination.
Oh so you’re awful. Got it 👍
Do you even know who the “l” in .ml stands for? Lenin was hardly a model of religious tolerance. He saw Christianity as a tool of oppression. On that much, I agree.
Yeah, it was bad when Lenin did it. It was arguable one of the worst things Lenin did. We’re supposed to learn from that and not perpetuate it any further. Marxism is a science that evolves and we now understand religious discrimination was a mistake and horrible. You should not be perpetrating it today.
Why exactly is it bad? We don’t protect any other ideas or fantasies that way. How is belief in a magic sky daddy really any more respectable than belief in a flat earth? I support the right of everyone to choose to believe in such things, but I don’t see why they can’t be made fun of. The US constitution protects religious belief from the state, but it doesn’t protect it from mockery. That wasn’t an accident. It’s also not “religious discrimination”.
“Dumb” and “valid” cannot be true at the same time lmfao, that’s the simple logic I am getting at.
This ain’t rocket science. There are valid criticisms to be made. This ain’t one of them.
So you don’t consider it a valid criticism? Then what “both” things did you think were true?
Edit: am I understanding this chain correctly that you think it’s invalid because it could be made about other nations as well??
As I said in the original comment and haven’t really touched on since, it’s about the campism. This would be a valid criticism of modern “soldiering” in general, but the strong implication that this is a uniquely American problem is completely ridiculous.
If anything, the real world reputation of American soldiers in regards to civilians is among the least terrible. That’s not to say they are ethical in an absolute sense, because there have been lots of sickening incidents, for instance abu ghraib, but nothing like the reputation of Russian or even Chinese soldiers.
If there is a glaring failure in this regard that continues to be an issue, it’s with drone strikes and other weapons of mass destruction. You still don’t have practices like what Russia is doing to Kiev, but the US is still way too quick to brush off “collateral damage”. There is also a lot to criticize on how the US justifies it’s interventions. The current attack on Iran is entirely unjustified, and it has plenty of support from both parties.
On the ground though, US frontline troops are among the best trained in the world at avoiding civilian casualties and cooperating with local populations. I’m sure that’s getting worse under Hegseth, but US armed forces have been taught to question orders in ways that other great powers are reluctant to allow, especially Russia. If anyone is better it’s some European forces, but the people who embrace this cartoon would not like that point since it’s still “the west”.
I really hate campism because the real war is with the global elites. Elites spend lots of money to promote the notion that what really matters is the fight between good and bad governments, always with different ideas of which is which. Meanwhile the elites themselves have no national allegiances. Trump clearly identifies far more as a member of the global elites than as an American. The elites are the enemy the left should be fighting.
Mask-off
imperial soldiermassmurderer detectedYour kind just murdered 153 children
You’re even worse at lying than trump
Our ground troops, or airstrikes? Did you read my whole comment, or were you just looking for something to bitch about and stopped there?
Did Russia bomb any civilians today? How about yesterday, or the day before, or the day before that? You complaining about that too?
Pardon me, but what exactly has the PLA done that’s so egregious, so much so that it outshines Shock and Awe, Abu Ghraib, the kangaroo court and illegal execution of Saddam Hussein, years long bloody occupation of Iraq, slaughter in Fallujah, forced labor in Fallujah, The Haditha Massacre, with all that not even being the full extent of American crimes in Iraq, and that just being Iraq alone, not speaking on Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, and all the other places the US has waged illegal wars and pillaging abroad. To be frank, What the fuck are you talking about brother?
Ask Tibet.
Are you fucking serious? lmao. “I hate ‘campists’, BTW US soldiers are the most moral in the world unlike the soldiers of the evil orc people who are the enemies of the US.” You’re nothing but a racist and an American nationalist (I repeat myself). Really making it obvious why you had a problem with US soldiers specifically being criticized.
I’m (not) sorry to tell you this, but US soldiers are not more moral than Russian soldiers (a country which has done a fraction of the damage the US has done if even that) and CERTAINLY not more moral than Chinese soldiers who haven’t gone to war in 40+ years.
And before you tell me you didn’t say they were moral, you’re not fooling anyone when you try to sneak it in with arguments about comparing “reputations”.
I never said anything about orc people. Russian infantry have a reputation for brutality towards civilians and it’s earned. They don’t even really try to hide it. Russian isn’t a “race”. Also, what do you expect when Russia slaughters civilians wholesale and relies almost entirely on “meat wave” tactics. Whether the comparison to orcs is racist can be debated, but it’s clear where it comes from.
My claim about US troops was that they were less terrible. Unfortunately, moral ground troops are hard to find in today’s world. I also said they were better trained at certain things, and I stand by it. That’s not in spite of their many deployments, it’s because of it.
If you want to know about the PLA I suggest asking someone who faught them. Perhaps Japan. If you want more recent, then look at the tens of thousands of Tibetan civilians that were killed - most in labor camps. That’s a bit worse than “collateral damage” from an errant missile. (And yeah, if it was an Israeli missile I think an investigation into how “accidental” it was is warranted.
I was also very critical of IS decisions to go to war in the first place and how they justify it, so what the fuck are you talking about? I’m not “sneaking” anything in. I said what I said because it was precisely what I meant.
Unlike you I don’t pick a team before making my conclusions. There is shit that’s good about the US, and stuff that isn’t. Same is true of China. As for Russia and Israel, I’d love to say something good about them, but they make it pretty tough.