JERUSALEM (AP) — The head of surgery at Gaza’s largest and most advanced hospital held up his phone Saturday to the hammering of gunfire and artillery shelling. “Listen,” said Dr. Marwan Abu Sada as fighting raged around Shifa Hospital.

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    Wow.

    Are you literally saying it’s not a genocide because the population is growing faster than the IDF is killing?

    I don’t know what happened to your brain, nor your heart, but I am sad whatever happened to you, happened.

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      You did use the term “erase.”. What about all the Palestinians living inside Israel.

      Obviously it sucks that people are dying, but hamas started the war FFS. They 100% knew it would cause huge civilian losses.

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        If you think Hamas «started» anything, read up on the history. It’s a 75 year long illegal occupation.

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        Israel stated the war 17 years ago, minimum.

        Blockades are acts of war.

        This argument is the adult equivalent of grabbing someone’s hand and punching them in the face with it while saying “stop hitting yourself”

        You should be embarrassed for even making this argument.

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          Israel stated the war 17 years ago, minimum.

          *18. The blockade started in late 2005. Just clarifying because Israel likes to claim that the blockade started in response to the scary Hamas government launching rocket attacks.

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        That’s a false dichotomy. They are killing them as fast as they think the international community will tolerate. They won’t kill them fast enough to provoke any major entity into opposing them, they will just stay firmly in the “everyone will wag their fingers at us and argue about whether it’s right” zone, which is where they sit currently.

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          And what will make you believe genocide isn’t the end goal? The refugees leaving through Egypt don’t?

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            The refugees leaving through Egypt don’t?

            How could they? Reiterating my prior point:

            They are killing them as fast as they think the international community will tolerate. They won’t kill them fast enough to provoke any major entity into opposing them, they will just stay firmly in the “everyone will wag their fingers at us and argue about whether it’s right” zone, which is where they sit currently.

            So the fact that this leaves open the possibility that some people get to flee their homes in terror, knowing that their friends and loved ones who refuse to be chased out of their homes by Israel are likely to be killed by the IDF, is one of the things that you feel might convince me that Israel doesn’t have genocidal intent?

            And what will make you believe genocide isn’t the end goal?

            Clearly nothing that you’re going to accept.

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              But that’s impossible to argue. You can claim for any ratio that it’s a silent genocide as long as even a single citizen is killed. And we know a war without civilian casualties - even forgetting the situation of Hamas putting civilians forward as shields and even killing some themselves. Where do you draw the line?

              Instead of examining the facts, you’re opting for an easy cop-out that requires no proof and cannot be disproved.

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        Yes.

        Nothing is more corrosive to an armies fighting capabilities then an occupation.

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      Civilian casualties aren’t the same thing as genocide.

      genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

      When a country with access to the full destructive power of a modern-day military (including nuclear weapons) fights a war in such a manner that at the end of the war there will be more enemy civilians than there were before the war, it is entirely unreasonable to claim that genocide or any attempt to commit genocide is taking place. You might as well call it cannibalism or pedophilia - those are also really bad things that Israel isn’t actually doing.

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        Keep telling yourself whatever you need to support your own narratives. I just wanna let you know that I think you are a cold-hearted person, and I hope that you, your family, or your people will never be thought of, as you are thinking and/or talking of the Palestinians right here.

        They are deliberately bombing hospitals, schools and people fleeing. If you cannot open your eyes to see this, but rather argue about the technicalities of semantics to feel better, I wish you good luck in life.

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        Intentionally withholding food and water when you control all ingress is a way of extirpating a population without bombing and shooting them.

        But so is dropping more explosive power than the two atomic bombs used in Japan into an area the size of Manhattan in a month.