• JoeHill@lemmy.world
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    There was no “literal pre mandatory Palestine border.” Under the Ottomans it was multiple sanjaks under the vilayet of Damascus.

    What you call “from the river to the sea” did not exist as an administrative boundary until Winston Churchill created it in 1922 by splitting Mandate Palestine into Transjordan and a new, smaller Mandate Palestine.

    Does nobody study history before spouting off?

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      Yes there was, it was administered under the same borders as before the ottoman invaded just subdivided to three sub states because that’s how the ottoman maintained control.

      Does nobody study history before spouting off?

      Do they indeed.

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        “Just subdivided into three states”.

        Thank you. Like I said, those administrative borders never existed. It’s a British colonial construct.

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          Three states that make up the same border and we’re referenced to as a whole as Palestine, you’re not making the point you think you’re making. The United States is quite a bit more than 3 states, are you implying the US doesn’t exist?

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            That’s like saying if the US collapsed that the existence of former states of Washington, Oregon and half of a state called California proves that there is now a country called “Washoregfornia” even though nobody ever called themselves Washoregfornians when the US existed and nobody governed themselves according to those borders. You’re inverting your logic.

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              Not at all, Palestine existed and had the same borders prior to ottoman rule, during ottoman rule, and during mandatory Palestine. Your example state never existed and even if it did it would have been a territory.

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                  Burden of proof lays with the accuser, you say I’m wrong prove it to be so.

                  semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit

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                    I’m not accusing of anything. You’re claiming that borders exist that never existed. Put up or shut up.