I stopped believing in DMCA/DRM/Copyright legality when big tech can use pirated content for their AI training and not pay a cent for it because the judge said “Is fair use” or whatever
Earlier, I wasn’t convinced this was due to Spotify because it happened incredibly quickly after the news about the scraping. Two weeks or so after AA’s announcement, I’d hardly believe this sort of domain takedown can be carried out so swiftly, without the pirated material even being available on the site yet. Guess I was wrong, Spotify money can do miracles.
Glad they can throw money at this, but still pay artists dogshit
Funny how the same doesn’t happen when X hosts CSAM though… Money truly can do miracles
Fuck the copyright mafia. All the fascist tech bros trained their enslopification brainrotting engines on anna’s archive without anyone in power batting an eye but I guess burn everything because someone might want to listen to a song.
I will always side against the multi-billion dollar corporation.
If you don’t own what you pay for, then pirating is not unethical. Period.
This makes Anna’s archive a bit problematic with that logic since when you pay for a paper you get a PDF copy?
These companies maintain that even though you possess a PDF, you still do not own it and do not have the rights associated with ownership.
Well no, but in the same spirit of how you don’t own a movie just because you bought the DVD? I mean there are few things you actually own after buying them
I would consider it more problematic if the author of the paper got any of that and not the journal the author had to pay to be published
That’s a different point
what about when you rent something
Then it’s rent and not bought. That shitty excuse “akshualy you only bought the license, can’t do what you want with it” is just abuse, because the buyer never gets clearly informed beforehand.
if we’re still talking about spotify it’s pretty clear you are not actually purchasing all of music for $15
When you rent something, you can share it. You rent a car, you can have passengers. You rent an apartment, you can have visitors. You rent a tool, you can lend it to your neighbour.
kind of like when you rent movies or shows you can watch them with your friends? this is also barely relevant to the paying to rent vs own argument
Such widespread and illegal infringement would irreparably harm the music industry.
I feel like the whole Spotify thing was a misstep, I really dont know what to make of the whole thing
They poked the Beast. I admire their moxy, and I hope they survive.
It was a big ball move for sure, but they should probably get their domain name game good now that they’re doing stuff like this
It seems like overstretching the image of primarly-bookhunting piracy community. It could’ve been Anna’s Playlist or something. Next we’d hear the FitGirl’s name is Anya too.
Having a resource with a distinct field of interest and set of challenges, foes, arguments makes way more sense to me. In public perception, stealing a book and stealing a CD, or a movie are waslty different cases, and being book-first was their natural advantage in claiming the high horse in every discussion.
Like I dont get why they had to take credit for it. Like, fine, find an anonymous way to distribute and seed it initially, I just dont get why they felt like they needed to stamp their brand on it
I guess, besides stupid pride and challenging copyright fuckos, it also whitelists these uploads as coming from a reputable source, shows that’s the community is alive and still kicking.
so how do I access it now?
Only the .org domain got seized. You can still use one of several backup domains:
While there, consider donating to help preserve the modern day Library of Alexandria!
The people running Anna’s Archive should’ve really known better. At one hand, I’m appreciative for what they attempted to do. But on the other hand, they’ve really painted a big target on their backs by scraping on Spotify. Now they have the RIAA legion sickened on them and they’re probably now going to get nuked by lawsuits and appeals. So, in a sense, Anna’s Archive kinda went and blew themselves up, screwing people out of a good source.
They should have stayed secret so only you, my friend’s neighbour’s 2nd cousin, once removed, and I knew about them.
That’s honestly how piracy in general should be. But as we’ve learned, have learned and seemingly continue to learn. That, the reason a number of great piracy sources go down the way they did was because, someone had a very big mouth and drew attention that ended up costing us great sources that had lasted a good long while.
These days, it’s get your pirating in as much as you can, take your loot and provide only to those who know how and when to shut up.
Piracy (and Anna’s Archive)'s mission is to share information, especially culture, with everyone, regardless of their ability to pay for it and regardless of the geoblocks. Keeping the service hidden may benefit you and the few people that know about it, but it isn’t the purpose of these sites. They felt they were protected enough, and they decided to take another step towards their objective, that’s it.
In practice, nothing’s gonna happen. They already have 4 different domains. Even if they managed to seize the servers and cancel every domain, all of Anna’s Archive data is out there on public torrents, and their software is also FOSS. Anyone can make a mirror.
They should host on I2P, if the other domains get nuked.
I don’t think you can run a service like that if you are afraid of copyright lawsuits.
How is Anna’s Archive legal to begin with?
It isn’t.
There’s an Ars Technica article published yesterday or the day before about the book metadata scraping, and a representative for AA came right out and said they deliberately violate copyright law in most countries.
They believe, apparently, that collecting information is more valuable than being legal. In that case, they were ordered by a court to delete the data they scraped and they were not expected to comply (and have not done so). The .org suspension was thought to be related to that. Apparently it is not.
They believe, apparently, that collecting information is more valuable than being legal
Woah woah woah there cowboy! That’s only ok when you’re big tech, not when you do it against them. Sheesh, the nerve on this guy…
Yeah like it’s fine if you’re Meta (Facebook) and you pirate books to train AI, but if you say it’s for human knowledge, so that a poor person in a third world country who might pull in $100 a month can still have access to books and music… they figure it’s worth it if a bunch of spoiled Americans can also get it for free, as long as they seed.
I left spotify behind
I never jumped on board with it. But people use it and it’s news.
What service did you use instead? If none, you missed out on a majorly convenient service for the user.
I’ve always just had to type a songname into a box and have it 10 seconds later. So Spotify gave absolutely no advantage in access to music.
The only semi-relevant new thing Spotify had was music recommendations, but I never cared about that. I’ve never had trouble finding good music organically, nor even the need to listen to new songs all the time.
So yeah, for me, it never was more convenient than what I had before and I don’t think I’ve missed anything.
How did you solve music on your phone without having to connect it to your computer and transfering it? :o
It’s that much of a burden to transfer like 10-15GB of musics? Even the most lossless file type(the name escaped my mind) do you need more than 30gb? Honestly question I have like 1000 songs and I don’t need more than that.
No, but I’m talking about convenience :) Spotify solved having to transfer new music between devices nicely.
I got around 400gB and almost none of it is lossless… I stream it using Nextcloud music.
400gb is how much hours of songs?
I still used my cassette player
Haha wow! So you transfered downloaded songs to cassette? That’s dedicated 🤘 I had a walkman but got a smartphone not long after
I’m old, I like to own my music. I’ve never liked the idea of leasing music. I’m sure Spotify works wonderfully for some users, for me, Navidrome does everything I need of it.
That’s cool. I just wanted to point out that Spotify was absolutely amazing when it came, it practically killed music torrenting. That you never jumped on board with it made you miss out on a fantastic service is all I say!
I fucking hated spotify from the moment I first interacted with it, primarily due to the way the app worked, and its exploitative position as middleware.
Convenience be damned if it’s a net loss to society.
What was it that you hated? I remember both the program and the app when it came being quite useful, if not as polished as it is now of course
Not the person you asked the question to but, for me it was dogshit music selection. I dislike radio music, my forte of music is almost exclusivley EDM based. Spotifies selection for glitchstep/dubstep/chillstep was a joke when i was looking into it. Plus I heavily disliked their leaning into requiring an account to even listen.
It sets itself to autostart, and then hid the setting deep on a second screen. Opt-out plus malicious design, for one example, and the algorithm and pay structure for another.
Harmony
I still use smoke signals to communicate afar.
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