• Weydemeyer@lemmy.ml
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    2 days ago

    For countries like Spain, Portugal, Ireland, et al… what’s the motivation to remain in NATO in the first place? I know it’s a joke to call it a purely “defensive” alliance but those countries do not face a credible military threat from anyone. Meanwhile they are rules falling into place that will require members to really pay up and increase military budgets at the expense of social programs.

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      17 hours ago

      but those countries do not face a credible military threat from anyone

      If they leave NATO they will face a threat from NATO, duh. Remember, war is a racket, and NATO is a racket too.

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      19 hours ago

      US threatens anyone who will leave with massive economic sanctions. And since all the leaders are cowards who refuse to band together the US has a far stronger negotiating position and always wins.

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      I do not know if the same “logic” holds true for others, especially the larger nations, but to many in my nation it’s “if we leave there’s no telling who of the neighbors is going to absorb us”. Perhaps going by the “there’s always a bigger fish” there’s a feeling that nations inside of the banner at least on paper are obliged to not attack each other in an effort to deter the larger opposition.

      I personally though this is a bit of a fantasy, as Greece - Türkiye showcases that situation is far from ideal and wouldn’t it make more sense to try to reason and integrate with the larger (outside) nation? As otherwise you’re really leaning into a narrative that the “outside” is somehow born evil, which should feel quite hollow to anyone hearing it.

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      2 days ago

      It’s a protection racket. If they get the kind of left wing government that would even leave NATO in the first place, the US is presently showing off what it does to such governments.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      2 days ago

      That’s precisely why I expect NATO is going to fall apart in the end. It’s going to be really hard to justify austerity to ramp up military spending when there’s no credible threat.