As an anarchist, every ML I’ve met IRL has been extremely based. I don’t get how this whole Marxist vs. Anarchist divide on Lemmy formed.
It’s because of the Tankies who read Marx and absorb none of it.
They’re all over the basedness spectrum like anyone else, but do you think any of them would tolerate the extremely online tankies we get here?
I think they’d tolerate them the same way some of us organizational anarchists tolerate some of the anarcho-punks. There are plenty of people within leftist spaces that are somewhat on the right track, but get sidetracked with petty grievances and “wishy-washy” (vague) vibes based politics. I use anarcho-punks as an example, because I’ve met plenty of people who call themselves anarchist, but don’t care much about socialist organizing (or any organizing for that matter) and kind of just think we can slacktivist our way out of fascism. Of course, like the lemmy “tankies”, these people make up a tiny minority, and don’t effect political progress at all, negative or positive effect.
Punks are generally pretty good, though
For sure, didn’t mean to say they weren’t. What I meant is theres always gonna be a small and noisy minority of those people who take it too far and start getting annoying.
It’s from history and hyperbolised because internet.
Drawing from mutualism, Mikhail Bakunin founded collectivist anarchism and entered the International Workingmen’s Association, a class worker union later known as the First International that formed in 1864 to unite diverse revolutionary currents. The International became a significant political force, with Karl Marx being a leading figure and a member of its General Council. Bakunin’s faction (the Jura Federation) and Proudhon’s followers (the mutualists) opposed state socialism, advocating political abstentionism and small property holdings.[43] After bitter disputes, the Bakuninists were expelled from the International by the Marxists at the 1872 Hague Congress.[44] Anarchists were treated similarly in the Second International, being ultimately expelled in 1896.[45] Bakunin predicted that if revolutionaries gained power by Marx’s terms, they would end up the new tyrants of workers.
Despite concerns, anarchists enthusiastically participated in the Russian Revolution in opposition to the White movement, especially in the Makhnovshchina. Seeing the victories of the Bolsheviks in the October Revolution and the resulting Russian Civil War, many workers and activists turned to Communist parties, which grew at the expense of anarchism and other socialist movements. In France and the United States, members of major syndicalist movements such as the General Confederation of Labour and the Industrial Workers of the World left their organisations and joined the Communist International.[58] However, anarchists met harsh suppression after the Bolshevik government had stabilised, including during the Kronstadt rebellion.[59] Several anarchists from Petrograd and Moscow fled to Ukraine, before the Bolsheviks crushed the anarchist movement there too.[59] With the anarchists being repressed in Russia, two new antithetical currents emerged, namely platformism and synthesis anarchism. The former sought to create a coherent group that would push for revolution while the latter were against anything that would resemble a political party.
In the Spanish Civil War of 1936–39, anarchists and syndicalists (CNT and FAI) once again allied themselves with various currents of leftists. A long tradition of Spanish anarchism led to anarchists playing a pivotal role in the war, and particularly in the Spanish Revolution of 1936. In response to the army rebellion, an anarchist-inspired movement of peasants and workers, supported by armed militias, took control of Barcelona and of large areas of rural Spain, where they collectivised the land.[60] The Soviet Union provided some limited assistance at the beginning of the war, but the result was a bitter fight between communists and other leftists in a series of events known as the May Days, as Joseph Stalin asserted Soviet control of the Republican government, ending in another defeat of anarchists at the hands of the communists.[61]
By the end of World War II, the anarchist movement had been severely weakened.[62] The 1960s witnessed a revival of anarchism, likely caused by a perceived failure of Marxism–Leninism and tensions built by the Cold War.[63]
Not my experience lol
Not to say they’re bad people but usually extremely misinformed with respect to history and how politics works. Other than protesting against western atrocities I don’t see much potential for collaboration.
The divide is mostly an internet phenomenon. Doing shit IRL gives a much more practical perspective on the matter.
as soon as your hands get dirty you tend not to care who’s getting them dirty with you so much, just glad for the help.
Tankies.
I have absolutely zero problems with working with anarchists and I really wish more marxists were with me on this.
from experience, never had a problem… “leftists” infighting usually is just group drama. except when it really mattered and Revolutionary Catalunya had a civil war between Communists and Anarchists… while fighting fascist Spain!!!
Marxism represents a diverse range, from council communism to campism.
Anarchists should consider cooperating with Marxists who share generally common criticisms of authority and the state, but should not feel obligated to seek relations with authoritarians and statists, with whom they cannot possibly find adequate common ground.
Anarchism as a libertarian socialist tendency is also a plurality.
As a Marxist I work pretty well with anarchists and I’m glad for it
No shirts, no kings, no masters!
but i’ve got shoes. can i come in and get a coffee?
No shoes, no nations, no borders!
No parking, no woman, no cry!
