And great example that just because you were born to riches, does not mean you have to remain an inegalitarian maintaining the power imbalance keeping the little people down.
(I’m probably some ways wrong about this in my lingering naivety [and, so, happy (eager, even) to hear counter-arguments, refutations, educations otherwise], but…)
I see Engels as part responsible for leading Marx astray from listening to Bakunin['s warning] [1].
It’s my impression that younger Marx was much more fervently libertarian along with his economics, and then later stripped the freedom to a mere wishful happenstance footnote in preference for a more purely economics focus, which opened the door to the authoritarians to usurp his work, and turn it into the whole “well then we’ll make them free” and “some are more equal than others” cognitively dissonant perversion.
[1: quintessentially: “We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality,” – Mikhail Bakunin]
imperialism is the defining factor imo that makes a state necessary in such a way. i attribute it to most of the successes of current and past socialist experiments in keeping themselves alive and improving people’s lives in the scorched earth scenario we find ourselves in.
i don’t fundamentally disagree with the anarchist critique of socialism i’ve been exposed to, but i’m living under imperialism and the so called authoritarians hit the nail on the head on what’s needed by how things are imposed upon us and especially how our failed attempts at freedom went.
could probably better ways of putting it, but i’m way too tired right now. i hope to have articulated whatever i wanted to say in a coherent enough way.
How is a voluntary, non-hierarchical network for sharing resources (non-material included) with the goal of community building and creating alternative governance structures, the same but less effective as using state power to regulate capitalism and provide universal social welfare founded by taxes. Those things are hardly even connected.
If either of them don’t do mutual aid their dead to me.
Commies that say they do mutual aid because of communism I kindly remind them. “You actually do mutual aid because of Kropotkin.”
is that,
If either of them don’t do mutual, aid their dead to me.
or
If either of them don’t do mutual aid they’re dead to me.
?
kropotkin was an anarchist, anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist. i’m talking about libs, not actual anarchists.
And great example that just because you were born to riches, does not mean you have to remain an inegalitarian maintaining the power imbalance keeping the little people down.
Well done Kropotkin.
not all piggies are heartless, and some of them will help us out. shoutout to engels too, and a (small) handful of others.
(I’m probably some ways wrong about this in my lingering naivety [and, so, happy (eager, even) to hear counter-arguments, refutations, educations otherwise], but…)
I see Engels as part responsible for leading Marx astray from listening to Bakunin['s warning] [1].
It’s my impression that younger Marx was much more fervently libertarian along with his economics, and then later stripped the freedom to a mere wishful happenstance footnote in preference for a more purely economics focus, which opened the door to the authoritarians to usurp his work, and turn it into the whole “well then we’ll make them free” and “some are more equal than others” cognitively dissonant perversion.
[1: quintessentially: “We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality,” – Mikhail Bakunin]
imperialism is the defining factor imo that makes a state necessary in such a way. i attribute it to most of the successes of current and past socialist experiments in keeping themselves alive and improving people’s lives in the scorched earth scenario we find ourselves in.
i don’t fundamentally disagree with the anarchist critique of socialism i’ve been exposed to, but i’m living under imperialism and the so called authoritarians hit the nail on the head on what’s needed by how things are imposed upon us and especially how our failed attempts at freedom went.
could probably better ways of putting it, but i’m way too tired right now. i hope to have articulated whatever i wanted to say in a coherent enough way.
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How is a voluntary, non-hierarchical network for sharing resources (non-material included) with the goal of community building and creating alternative governance structures, the same but less effective as using state power to regulate capitalism and provide universal social welfare founded by taxes. Those things are hardly even connected.
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Varies.
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I can think of a few notable differences.