• theneverfox@pawb.social
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    4 hours ago

    You’ve fallen into the trap. Political stances aren’t on a spectrum, they’re multi dimensional

    Some leftists believe in anarchy, in a lack of hard boundaries and a more organic cultural resistance to bad actors. Some believe in rigid structure, in the rules creating equity and equality.

    Tankies believe in an authoritarian, top down force that will impress ideology onto the masses.

    All lefties believe in equity and/or equality. That’s the common thread. Tankies are crazy high on the authoritarian vs anarchy spectrum, but they genuinely think that road will lead to an equitable society

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      3 hours ago

      Left and Right are specifically about how people view power and authority. Nothing else. Left is no kings, Right is kings. Over time that got fleshed out and more nuanced but the point remains. Anarchists are the farthest Left you can go and Absolute Monarchs are the farthest Right you can go.

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        2 hours ago

        That’s an insane paradigm. That’s putting so many things on one axis

        You have to try to understand others from where they are. The right is generally bad, but they also believe in people… Which has merit. The left is generally good, except when their plans are bat shit insane

        Personally, I believe anarcho-communism is the ideal situation. It’s also bat shit insane. I don’t know if I could live in such a society, I’m certain most people today couldn’t

        You have to see the nuance and see where people agree and differ. Every successful political movement is evangelical. I refuse to believe most people don’t want to live in a better world, they’re just generally really fucking stupid

        But they have values… Some are good and some are bad. Some are inherent and some are learned.

        Good things are good, bad things are bad. We have enough food to overfeed everyone… People shouldn’t starve. You can believe in that fact, I think nearly everyone believes this, while also being a too dumb to understand how to solve that contradiction

        There’s no objectively best system. The world is a messy place. The best system is the one that works best at the moment

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          2 hours ago

          That’s putting so many things on one axis

          It puts very little on one axis. No kings or Kings. Originally that was literally a question of how people wanted the French revolution to go.

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            2 hours ago

            The French revolution wasn’t that simple. Read up on Honoré Gabriel Riqueti, and how he pushed the assignant and destroyed the French economy

            It’s never that simple. Life, and how humanity organizes itself, is always far more complicated

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                1 hour ago

                Neat way to reduce a complicated situation to something simple. No deeper lessons to be learned

                Thinking takes effort. It’s easy to spout platitudes

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                  1 minute ago

                  Then do some thinking. You’re clearly not processing what’s being said. A whole bunch of different people with different beliefs that believed in No Kings all literally sat on the Left side of the room. A whole bunch of people who believed in kings and tradition sat on the Right side of the room. Literally. Physically sat there on different sides of the room. How complicated is that?