Does anyone know what’s going on at Framework?

One of my friends mentioned Omarchy is great but he said to not use it cause of it’s creator and I only just stumbled onto this trashfire just today.

  • curbstickle@anarchist.nexusEnglish
    501·
    16 hours ago
    • Both Hyprland (which we’ll just say has an unpleasant history of allowed comments) and Omarchy (DHH… Mostly self explanatory, but go ahead and read his blog and you’ll see exactly the person DHH is. Dogwhistles and all.) were brought up as benefitting from Framework.
    • Nirav Patel (nrp) (Founder, CEO) replied by saying “its a big tent and everyone is welcome”, which pissed off a lot of people.
    • Rather than respond in the community forums, nrp went to twitter to say he isn’t bigoted.
    • Clarification of support was given, that no money went to DHH (kind of a lie here, I’ll get to that), and only a bit to Hyprland. Avoided all discussion of the outsized amount of posts by framework about Omarchy.
    • Blog post was made by framework/nrp detailing how money was spent. Left out any mention of hardware being sent out, later edited.
    • blog post shows that Railsworld (DHH was the keynote speaker) received massive amounts of money by comparison to every other event. That includes hardware, Linux firmware, the major DEs, etc - combined. A truly astounding amount compared to every other sponsorship. To date I do not believe this has been addressed.

    I don’t know about further updates, at this point I’ve written off framework. If you want open, go MNTRe IMO.

    • Lumisal@lemmy.world
      2·
      47 minutes ago

      Why does it seem recently every Indian descent CEO/English speaking politician is extremely far right? That pattern plus Framework’s actions already makes it seem like they’re also far right.

      Though releasing a desktop was the first warning sign in their case I suppose.

    • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
      6·
      11 hours ago

      If you want open, go MNTRe IMO.

      Oh, and a GmbH instead of US.
      That is now going to be a higher priority for me.

  • Sanctus@anarchist.nexusEnglish
    262·
    10 hours ago

    I took a look at Omarchy after a user posted a pretty knowledgeable teardown of it. Stay very far away.

        • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
          12·
          10 hours ago

          seemingly no one at Framework (Computer Inc.) or Cloudflare appears to have properly vetted the project they’re directing attention (and sometimes financial support) to.

          Sadly, being good at politics makes one more “successful”, faster, as compared to being good at actual work.

          Not sure how good he is at politics though, but that seems to be the case here.

          I haven’t read Hansson’s blogs, but Brodie’s video on Omarchy was good enough to show me that I didn’t want it at all.

  • Ulrich@feddit.orgEnglish
    1531·
    16 hours ago

    Using it is an entirely different thing from recommending, promoting or especially funding it.

        • curbstickle@anarchist.nexusEnglish
          405·
          15 hours ago

          Using something provides social proof, builds brand loyalty, and by sharing that you use it, generates publicity, however small.

          So I’m going to go ahead and disagree with your assessment in its entirety, and judging by the tone of your response, I’ll move on from interacting with you further.

          Enjoy your day.

          • teawrecks@sopuli.xyz
            11·
            4 hours ago

            by sharing that you use it

            aka “promoting”. They were specifically talking about using and not promoting.

          • Ulrich@feddit.orgEnglish
            825·
            15 hours ago

            Using something provides social proof

            No.

            builds brand loyalty

            What brand are you referring to? Do you know what this is? It’s not a product, it’s free software.

            and by sharing that you use it

            That would be promotion if you did that, but it’s not part of using it.

            I’ll move on from interacting with you further.

            That’s probably smart.

            • curbstickle@anarchist.nexusEnglish
              192·
              15 hours ago

              What brand are you referring to? Do you know what this is? It’s not a product, it’s free software.

              https://supply.37signals.com/collections/omarchy

              Yeah dude, clearly not a brand here. Just… Branded merch. Clearly this is not a brand.

              That would be promotion if you did that, but it’s not part of using it.

              You just did this very thing, demonstrating my point.

              That’s probably smart.

              Yeah, it would have been. But I felt the need to address your completely incorrect statements.

              • Ulrich@feddit.orgEnglish
                418·
                13 hours ago

                Clearly this is not a brand.

                So you think using a piece of software promotes brand loyalty to…a line of clothing? I’m just not seeing the logic there. Buying the clothing is promoting and funding it. Using the software is not

                You just did this very thing, demonstrating my point.

                I did no such thing. You need to read more carefully. I didn’t tell anyone I use it. Because I don’t use it.

                Yeah, it would have been.

                And yet here you are again making a fool of yourself. Listen to your heart, brother.