One problem is leftists call this take “liberalism” and conflate it with full on fascism.
I would be more open to discussions about “replacing” capitalism… if the people suggesting it didn’t expect the rest of us to figure out what to replace it with.
“Ah so you want pure chaos, a war of all against all.”
“… and we’ll replace it with communism!”
“Aha so you want literally the Soviet Union.”
“… and we’ll replace it with democracy!”
“Aha aha hmm so you want a tyranny of the majority.”
Capitalist propaganda is so deeply ingrained in the average person that you’ll have much better luck starting a conversation about what capitalism actually is, and its problems, rather than open with a proposed solution. We’ve had tons of proposed solutions for centuries now.
For someone more open-minded, this can be frustrating because you’d prefer they get to the point immediately.
It isnt actually liberalism I dont think, because to implement what I just mentioned, you would at the very least need to seize a lot of what it currently considered to be private property (that stock and business ownership), and distribute it in a way that the person possessing it does not have the ability to freely buy and sell it (else people would just sell it off for one reason or another and ownership would quickly consolidate again). Liberalism, as I understand it, has an emphasis on personal property rights that would find such a policy and later restriction on business ownership objectionable.
I agree with all of that.
One problem is leftists call this take “liberalism” and conflate it with full on fascism.
I would be more open to discussions about “replacing” capitalism… if the people suggesting it didn’t expect the rest of us to figure out what to replace it with.
Market socialism is not liberalism.
Fully agree.
Capitalist propaganda is so deeply ingrained in the average person that you’ll have much better luck starting a conversation about what capitalism actually is, and its problems, rather than open with a proposed solution. We’ve had tons of proposed solutions for centuries now.
For someone more open-minded, this can be frustrating because you’d prefer they get to the point immediately.
It isnt actually liberalism I dont think, because to implement what I just mentioned, you would at the very least need to seize a lot of what it currently considered to be private property (that stock and business ownership), and distribute it in a way that the person possessing it does not have the ability to freely buy and sell it (else people would just sell it off for one reason or another and ownership would quickly consolidate again). Liberalism, as I understand it, has an emphasis on personal property rights that would find such a policy and later restriction on business ownership objectionable.