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Systemd is fine but I am kinda sad that it’s ubiquity has resulted in increasing dependence on it.
I really like void linux which uses runit and it seems like its getting harder for things to work without systemd. Gnome made some changes fairly recently that increase dependence, I hope devs can build ways for gnome to still work :/
My only real criticism is that using runit makes me feel like systemd could be a lot smaller and more elegant. But using systemd has never caused me any problems as best I’m aware 🤷♂️
The first thing forcing an option does, is depriving that option the ability to know what it could achieve on pure merit.
The comments in here are going to be normal
Upstart was perfect!
You won’t ever get me to care about what init system I run on my machine. I just need it to work.
Exactly. There are more important holy wars and bigger hills to die on.
Sounds like something an Emacs user would say
One thing the author probably hasn’t done yet or just doesn’t mention is that you can configure
.containerservices with systemd-podman units (often called quadlets), e.g. a simple MariaDB container would look like this:[Unit] Description=MariaDB container [Container] Image=docker.io/mariadb:latest Environment=MYSQL_ROOT_PASSWORD=rootpassword Environment=MYSQL_USER=testuser Environment=MYSQL_PASSWORD=testpassword Environment=MYSQL_DATABASE=testdb [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.targetThis is superb, because it means your containers finally feel well-integrated with the rest of the OS and you can use systemctl, journalctl, etc. just like you would with other services.
Personally, I use this as an alternative to Podman/Docker compose and have been very happy with it running rootless containers from Nextcloud, Pufferpanel, Forgejo, Authentik, etc. (ask me for .container files if you need any help, I’m currently working on a small repo with a collection)
That idea feels very useful but I also distrust it and it makes me angry for reasons I can’t articulate.
Your distrust is kind of reasonable: I’ve been using this a lot for the past year and there definitely were two or three moments where it was a bit annoying, too little transparent on what commands will be run, etc.
TIL. That’s pretty useful!
That’s neat! There’s so many advanced features of systemd I swear I learn something new every time it comes up.
This is due to systems generators allowing Podman to plug in to that system
I like this, but even though pod man runs perfect rootless, quadlets can only run as root for now :-(
Just place your Quadlets in the $HOME/.config/containers/systemd/ directory for this ;)
The reference I linked to earlier also contains more information on rootless.
Not true. I run them rootless on my server as we speak. :)
Same here; Rootless Podman Quadlets gang unite (there is two of us in total)
Excuse me, peasant crontab enjoyer here, but what?! I could write a (mostly) declarative system without having to learn Nix?! I should probably be learning systemd anyway, it’s looking more and more like the present, let alone the future.
I run a bunch of remote reverse proxies that are functionally identical, but for having a different Cloudflare key and calling for a different static IP
Could I write the entire config to a self hosted Git > pull that repo > change those two variables and have a running machine?
Remote updates have been kicking my ass, I either can’t wrap my head around Screen or it isn’t fit for my need. Being able to pull the new config from Git over Tailscale and then run it would be game changing for me.
If you need a half step on your journey, convert your crontab to systemd timers first.
In fact, I do need a half step. Legend, thank you.
awesome!
It’s amazing, the gitea container supports this. Autostarts on machine restart, etc.
Yeah, it’s great that Gitea/Forgejo has a copy-paste snippet in the docs, but you can actually use that with pretty much every container.
There is this useful tool to convert containers, podman commands or even compose files to podman-systemd units: https://github.com/containers/podlet
I agree. For a init system.
I don’t like the “takeover” of network and home folders. (It feels like a takeover for me)
Unix grey beard here.
Yes. Distros with systemd are simply easier to maintain.
Even when DNS resolution isn’t working properly?
Especially then. Great documentation and support tooling make troubleshooting much easier.
Can you give me a link to that documenation and tooling? Because every time I go to troubleshoot an issue, I end up in a tangled mess of trying to figure out how systemd and NetworkManager have decided to configure themselves on this particular system, and I give up.
I don’t know how it happens, but I can set up Ubuntu on a dozen laptops in exactly the same way, and a week later they all have different configurations.
Can you give me a link to that documenation and tooling?
Linux daemons and utilities typically come with manuals that get installed alongside the software. There’s a command line tool, aptly called
man, that can be used to search and display these manuals. So for instance,man resolvectldisplays the manual for the command line utility that you can use to control, configure, monitor and debug thesystemd-resolveddaemon. (Although I usually look up the man page online because it’s more convenient to scroll through than in a terminal.) Man pages for a given daemon will typically mention near the bottom related man pages for e.g. control utilities likeresolvectl, so it’s not necessary to remember it by heart.a week later they all have different configurations.
I’m trying to remember any situation where one of the systemd components would change its configuration on its own, but I’m coming up blank. It may be my memory failing me, but possibly that’s the wrong tree to bark up?
Arch wiki ftw
Never had a systemd caused DNS issue.
Then I must be using it wrong. I kept systemd-resolved on my laptop but on my desktop I use plain old
/etc/resolv.conf
When I was starting to use Linux in the late 2010s, I was quite confused by how all the init stuff worked. Now that I use NixOS and systemd, I’m things have become really easy. I could write a simple backup system by chaining a few services together without problems.
Might it be, that you have also learned a bit here and there?
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