The US and Ukraine have finalized a ‘temporary ceasefire deal’ during the Jeddah talks, which were meant to be a kind of conciliatory round two chance for Ukraine to amend for Zelensky’s faux pas.

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          Not even. The Soviets won that war for them, they came in late like the vultures they are to reap the rewards.

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            @yogthos@lemmy.ml

            Indeed, it was Russia that enabled the other allies to land on D-Day. The eastern front occupied the best German troops. One would never know this if reading Anglo-Saxon history, though. Sad.

            @BombOmOm@lemmy.world @commander@lemmings.world @60d@lemmy.ca

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          Hasn’t won any wars with unlimited objectives. Where there is no clear end goal, because regime change and installing a friendly government isn’t really clear and actionable.

          The first Gulf War had limited objectives, was a massive success and took only 6 months.

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            Cowardly bombing a country is not ‘fighting a war’
            Even then, like the ukranians you mostly used a proxy, the Kurds and other local factions to do the fighting for you.
            And in good american tradition you threw them under the bus later.

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              I think you need to brush up on your history. And who is “you”? I’m not even American my friend.

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                First of all how old were you when it happened?
                I bet you got the sanitised, revisionist version, after some years plenty believed it had to do with WMD’s and never heard of the US warcrimes. (Same thing happened after decades of Hollywood fantasy movie propaganda when people in EU began to believe the US won the war and not the never mentioned Soviets)
                I’m sure I know more about it or history in general you since we have better education than you Canadians and.
                I’m sure with the many many SS Galicia warcriminals that moved there, and their offspring like Freeland whitewashing them I think you probably don’t know enough about your own country.

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                  @Bloomcole@lemmy.ml

                  Sadly, you’re right about my country — most Canadians don’t know that many Ukrainian Banderaites immigrated to Canada during the Cold War. They had to be stringent anti-communists, so obviously that would be people from western Ukraine. And yes, just like our former Deputy PM, Chrystia Freeland. Her Grandfather was an official Nazi. I’ve heard that Alberta has some statues glorifying Bandera, possibly in Sask and Manitoba too, where there are other pockets of Ukrainian diaspora. It appears that some Canadians on Lemmy are followers of this ideology, judging by many of their comments, like the fool you’re responding to. Probably why the western provinces of Canada <ie> Alberta always vote hard right.

                  @BombOmOm@lemmy.world @commander@lemmings.world @60d@lemmy.ca @yogthos@lemmy.ml @Jimius@lemmy.ml

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                  after some years plenty believed it had to do with WMD’s

                  No, it was very clear it was to get Iraq out of Kuwait after it invaded. Iraq wanted to gain more regional dominance and add Kuwait’s oil reserves to it’s own economy after the costly Iran-Iraq war.

                  you Canadians

                  Also not Canadian, the world is a big place

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                    Ask people now about Iraq and see if they mention Kuwait or WMD’s.
                    And where do they miseducate people like that?
                    Is it a secret or should I guess?
                    Another one of the terrible 5 eyes countries?
                    then 1 UK AUS.
                    Or one of the terrible baltics or miserable Poland.
                    But your English is good and know how to spell (so I should’ve known you weren’t american)

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        It’s the same story every time. Eventually, the US realizes that the proxy war has become a sunk cost and leaves their proxy to hang.