Terrorism is absolutely a socially constructed idea. The current idea of the charge is based on the moral concept that violence in pursuit of religious or political goals is unacceptable. (You don’t have to accept that but we absolutely teach it in American school so most people just reflexively believe it)
Terrorism as it’s original idea was violence against civilians to terrify them into acting in a certain way. Like the KKK burning a cross in someone’s yard to warn them or a lynching where the entire town attends and takes pictures.
That said a single assassination where the shooter disappears afterwards, leaves no calling cards, makes no announcement, no demands, doesn’t really fit the profile of actual terrorism. They’re charging terrorism because it fits the letter of the law and it’s automatically discrediting to many Americans. Not because it’s actually Terrorism.
Calling him a terrorist is supposed to make people afraid to support him otherwise they might be stripped of their rights and tortured in gitmo.
It’s like a terrorism reverse uno card. Use the charge of terrorism to cause terror and prevent people from organizing against the greedy, insatiable monsters that run this country by greasing each other’s hands.
I don’t think most people are afraid that protesting will get them labeled as terrorists. This isn’t a state that’s used terrorism charges against protestors like Georgia, Louisiana, Florida, Oklahoma, or New York.
Goddamnitalltohell. I’m going to go live in a cave.
Wrong would be the improper term, but I wouldn’t say Biden chose to pardon that person exactly. A bipartisan bill was written and signed by Trump that guaranteed those people be pardoned after completing a year in home confinement. (The Cares Act). The fact that 1500 of the 3000+ they gave that deal to were still stuck in confinement 4 years after a 1 year agreement would be something that I would hate on him for though.
I think the engravings on the bullets were intended as a message. It seemed like he expected to be caught with his “manifesto” as well. Not saying that’s sufficient to call it terrorism, but it does show a bit of intent beyond anger/revenge.
The bullets could also easily just be passion though. Calling cards are usually unmistakable. Like their name sake where actual cards are left on victims. A terroristic manifesto generally also has a warning, something meant to inspire fear or obedience. Osama Bin Laden for example had one demand, that western governments leave the middle east.
You could be right though, he could just be a terrorist with a bad PR sense.
Can you explain to me the term “socially constructed “, and why it is so relevant here? Isn’t all of law, and the rules we live by, socially constructed?
To an extent yes they are. Things like speeding, where and who you can have sex with, are really good examples of social constructs. Things like murder are things we intrinsically understand as wrong, even without laws. It’s instinctual.
The fact that it is a social construct is important because society can decide to change it. It’s not actually part of our core programming the way murder is. Look at the number of people saying this is self defense. That’s society discussing how the terrorism label is used because survival is also a core human instinct. This is why it’s really hard to hold your breath until you pass out or purposely attempt to breathe water.
In classical ethics and philosophy this conflict falls under the Harm Principal. At what point does the CEO’s conduct pose an existential danger to those around them? Thus permitting the act of murder as a method of survival.
Throwing the social construct of Terrorism in there confuses that core question because it reminds us that we’ve all been taught that using violence to achieve your goals is wrong, unless society says it’s right. (Like declaring war)
So now we face a bunch of questions. Is this actually terrorism? Or is this a moment of society approving the use of violence?
The idea that murder is some kind of part of our human instinct needs a reference. Institutionalised murder has been a part of human civilisation throughout history. Think war, holocaust, death penalty, cannibalism, gladiator games, witch trials, ritual sacrifice etc etc.
As humans our defining feature is our cultural variety. Almost all rules one could think of have at some point been tried by a civilisation. Core programming only affects the very basics of requiring sustenance and reproduction.
Yeah it certainly has been a part of our civilization and when you look at that you find extremes. You find people in life or death situations, people who have trained to overcome the barrier to killing, people who are desperate, and people who are just trying to survive. Take war for example, first you train to overcome your inhibitions by repeatedly drilling killing blows. The hope is that you do it almost automatically when you end up in combat. Even the rifle range targets are human shaped. Then when you get there you are in a life or death situation. It’s the ultimate prisoner’s dilemma. Imagine the most basic scenario it is just you and a soldier from the other army in a room with pistols drawn at each other. You have both been told it is not only legal, but morally preferred for you to shoot the other even if they attempt to run.
Okay but we can all pretend that’s moral, what about the Holocaust? One the greatest and most horrible things about humans is our ability to delude ourselves. To believe things that are demonstrably not true. This has helped us achieve space flight where there are several key things that go against what you would assume by looking at them. But it also allows us to look at people and see them as animals instead of people. Dangerous animals even. That’s why Germany, and other countries committing similar atrocities use that exact line almost verbatim. Think about how a racist person draws a black person. They always make them look like some kind of animal. That’s on purpose, they are de-humanizing them to make violence against them easier.
Finally we come to the last big way to get over the barrier. We all agreed it was better this way. Humans have the capacity to think themselves past the border if they try hard enough, and lock their emotions down. That is not to say you don’t feel them, you just aren’t letting them control you, freeze you. You’re listening to society say this was the agreed upon output of a rigorous process and for (insert ideological reason here) this must be done. Usually the ideological reason is eye for and eye, honor, or because they believe it will dissuade others from doing the same thing.
Alright this has been a lot of blather, how do we know this is true? Well I can offer two studies before I go to bed. In one study they looked at the actual Physical reaction that occurs when the body believes it’s going to do harm. I didn’t typo, the body has a reaction that is so far down we don’t even know it exists without specifically looking at it. The other study was done among combat vets. Specifically veterans who were involved in death they felt responsible for. It turns out if you keep thinking about it you are very likely to get PTSD. The problem of course is you can’t just turn it off. You can’t wipe it from your memory. It’s a damaging thought that’s always ready to do more damage.
So there is absolutely a barrier there, an inhibition you have to get over if you want to kill someone.
Terrorism is absolutely a socially constructed idea. The current idea of the charge is based on the moral concept that violence in pursuit of religious or political goals is unacceptable. (You don’t have to accept that but we absolutely teach it in American school so most people just reflexively believe it)
Terrorism as it’s original idea was violence against civilians to terrify them into acting in a certain way. Like the KKK burning a cross in someone’s yard to warn them or a lynching where the entire town attends and takes pictures.
That said a single assassination where the shooter disappears afterwards, leaves no calling cards, makes no announcement, no demands, doesn’t really fit the profile of actual terrorism. They’re charging terrorism because it fits the letter of the law and it’s automatically discrediting to many Americans. Not because it’s actually Terrorism.
Calling him a terrorist is supposed to make people afraid to support him otherwise they might be stripped of their rights and tortured in gitmo.
It’s like a terrorism reverse uno card. Use the charge of terrorism to cause terror and prevent people from organizing against the greedy, insatiable monsters that run this country by greasing each other’s hands.
I don’t think most people are afraid that protesting will get them labeled as terrorists. This isn’t a state that’s used terrorism charges against protestors like Georgia, Louisiana, Florida, Oklahoma, or New York.
Goddamnitalltohell. I’m going to go live in a cave.
Excellently explained, the OP screenshots are the insane babblings of a mad woman
I think you read my comment wrong. I agree with her.
Oh okay, that’s unfortunate. At least you made a good point at the end.
What is she wrong about?
Wrong would be the improper term, but I wouldn’t say Biden chose to pardon that person exactly. A bipartisan bill was written and signed by Trump that guaranteed those people be pardoned after completing a year in home confinement. (The Cares Act). The fact that 1500 of the 3000+ they gave that deal to were still stuck in confinement 4 years after a 1 year agreement would be something that I would hate on him for though.
The point is he’d be in that group though.
Yeah I get you.
If you read that and agree with every point, I’m not going to bother explaining.
Goodbye
Lmao. You just realized she’s just quoting current events.
No idea what you’re on about
I think the engravings on the bullets were intended as a message. It seemed like he expected to be caught with his “manifesto” as well. Not saying that’s sufficient to call it terrorism, but it does show a bit of intent beyond anger/revenge.
The bullets could also easily just be passion though. Calling cards are usually unmistakable. Like their name sake where actual cards are left on victims. A terroristic manifesto generally also has a warning, something meant to inspire fear or obedience. Osama Bin Laden for example had one demand, that western governments leave the middle east.
You could be right though, he could just be a terrorist with a bad PR sense.
Can you explain to me the term “socially constructed “, and why it is so relevant here? Isn’t all of law, and the rules we live by, socially constructed?
To an extent yes they are. Things like speeding, where and who you can have sex with, are really good examples of social constructs. Things like murder are things we intrinsically understand as wrong, even without laws. It’s instinctual.
The fact that it is a social construct is important because society can decide to change it. It’s not actually part of our core programming the way murder is. Look at the number of people saying this is self defense. That’s society discussing how the terrorism label is used because survival is also a core human instinct. This is why it’s really hard to hold your breath until you pass out or purposely attempt to breathe water.
In classical ethics and philosophy this conflict falls under the Harm Principal. At what point does the CEO’s conduct pose an existential danger to those around them? Thus permitting the act of murder as a method of survival.
Throwing the social construct of Terrorism in there confuses that core question because it reminds us that we’ve all been taught that using violence to achieve your goals is wrong, unless society says it’s right. (Like declaring war)
So now we face a bunch of questions. Is this actually terrorism? Or is this a moment of society approving the use of violence?
The idea that murder is some kind of part of our human instinct needs a reference. Institutionalised murder has been a part of human civilisation throughout history. Think war, holocaust, death penalty, cannibalism, gladiator games, witch trials, ritual sacrifice etc etc.
As humans our defining feature is our cultural variety. Almost all rules one could think of have at some point been tried by a civilisation. Core programming only affects the very basics of requiring sustenance and reproduction.
Yeah it certainly has been a part of our civilization and when you look at that you find extremes. You find people in life or death situations, people who have trained to overcome the barrier to killing, people who are desperate, and people who are just trying to survive. Take war for example, first you train to overcome your inhibitions by repeatedly drilling killing blows. The hope is that you do it almost automatically when you end up in combat. Even the rifle range targets are human shaped. Then when you get there you are in a life or death situation. It’s the ultimate prisoner’s dilemma. Imagine the most basic scenario it is just you and a soldier from the other army in a room with pistols drawn at each other. You have both been told it is not only legal, but morally preferred for you to shoot the other even if they attempt to run.
Okay but we can all pretend that’s moral, what about the Holocaust? One the greatest and most horrible things about humans is our ability to delude ourselves. To believe things that are demonstrably not true. This has helped us achieve space flight where there are several key things that go against what you would assume by looking at them. But it also allows us to look at people and see them as animals instead of people. Dangerous animals even. That’s why Germany, and other countries committing similar atrocities use that exact line almost verbatim. Think about how a racist person draws a black person. They always make them look like some kind of animal. That’s on purpose, they are de-humanizing them to make violence against them easier.
Finally we come to the last big way to get over the barrier. We all agreed it was better this way. Humans have the capacity to think themselves past the border if they try hard enough, and lock their emotions down. That is not to say you don’t feel them, you just aren’t letting them control you, freeze you. You’re listening to society say this was the agreed upon output of a rigorous process and for (insert ideological reason here) this must be done. Usually the ideological reason is eye for and eye, honor, or because they believe it will dissuade others from doing the same thing.
Alright this has been a lot of blather, how do we know this is true? Well I can offer two studies before I go to bed. In one study they looked at the actual Physical reaction that occurs when the body believes it’s going to do harm. I didn’t typo, the body has a reaction that is so far down we don’t even know it exists without specifically looking at it. The other study was done among combat vets. Specifically veterans who were involved in death they felt responsible for. It turns out if you keep thinking about it you are very likely to get PTSD. The problem of course is you can’t just turn it off. You can’t wipe it from your memory. It’s a damaging thought that’s always ready to do more damage.
So there is absolutely a barrier there, an inhibition you have to get over if you want to kill someone.