• TAYRN@lemmy.world
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    …you do know what engineering is, right? It’s… Definitely not a magic ghost inhabiting halls. It’s learning physics, electronics, programming, and, well, engineering to create novel solutions to problems people have.

    My point is that capitalism, for all of its failures, does indeed sometimes produce better things. You unequivocally hating on it, for no discernable reason; I I can’t find a reason for that.

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      You do know that engineering doesn’t exist independently, right? It comes from humans. And you know what those humans typically are? Workers.

      My point is that capitalism, for all of its failures, does indeed sometimes produce better things. You unequivocally hating on it, for no discernable reason; I I can’t find a reason for that.

      [Citation needed].

      Workers produce better things. Have been doing it before capitalism and will be doing it after. There’s no need for a leecher class above them.

      I’m starting to think you’re not just playing devil’s advocate…

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        How will we educate those workers, in order to produce better things? I guess some “workers” will be smarter than others. More intelligent. Should we send those stupider workers to the fields? Make them work off their stupidity while the genius, better workers invent new machines?

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          blinks

          What does education have to do with anything? How does that even follow towards someone “sending them to the fields”? This is the mother of non-sequiturs…

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            what does education have to do with inventing anything?

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                No, and I never said that I did. Do I think that people are motivated to be educated and create things by capitalism? Yes, of course. It’s provably happened on both of our lifetimes.

                Does that make capitalism the best solution? No. But obviously you’re gonna need to provide more data against it to convince other people. This is a weak argument.

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                  Do I think that people are motivated to be educated and create things by capitalism?

                  People were motivated to be educated and create things long before capitalism and will be long after capitalism.

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                    Yes, I think I’ve already agreed to that fact. Which brings us back to: how should we pay for those people to be educated? Who should we choose to create things? What should we do with everybody else?

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      My point is that capitalism, for all of its failures, does indeed sometimes produce better things.

      I’ve yet to see how capitalism has done that where other systems could not, though?

      The capitalists are the ones who own Apple in the OP, so the designers using decades of research are still workers. Apple paying them a bunch to work together is what gets them to make the iphone, sure, but you can’t say that no other system wouldn’t have eventually had a similar invention

      In fact, I’m quite certain that if we had a more anarchistic system instead of capitalism we’d have gotten phones or something similar sooner, as groups of nerds were working on them as early hobby projects but told to stop by their bosses and work on other more profitable shit instead