I use Btrfs with Parabola GNU/Linux-libre, a derivative distribution of Arch Linux. I use no snapshot management tools such as Snapper or Timeshift. I keep my system minimal and tidy. Everything is boring and predictable. I do not bork my system by mistake, except when something breaks after an odd update, usually once or twice per year. When it happens, I find a workaround (usually something needs to be downgraded) and file a bug report if there is none.

When I need to tinker with something that can possibly go out of control, like installing a new package for a program that I want to try out and I am not sure I will want to keep it, I take a snapshot of my current “pristine” system and boot into it. In the snapshot copy of my system I do all the dirty stuff I want to try out. When I am satisfied with my findings, I reboot into the main subvolume and delete the snapshot.

It seems to me that most people use Btrfs snapshots preemptively in case of unexpected failure. I use snapshots exactly when I know I am going to do something that can lead to instability or «OS rot». Am I the only one using Btrfs snapshots like this?

  • rotopenguin@infosec.pubEnglish
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    2 months ago

    “Except when something breaks after an odd update once or twice per year”

    You don’t need snapshots, except for the moments when you do. The point of snapshots is that they’re so cheap that you can let them roll on their own and only care about them the day your system breaks.

    • Dario@feddit.itOP
      3·
      2 months ago

      A broken system is no big deal for me, I can easily get up and running after a failed update. My data is also mirrored to my Nextcloud instance.

  • henfredemars@infosec.pubEnglish
    8·
    2 months ago

    You’re not alone. I do use snapshots for failure protection but I also use it when I know I’m likely to induce a failure by running an experiment.

    It’s also just as valid to not use the snapshot feature at all. Perhaps you value data integrity, for example, through the use of full checksums enabled by the design.

    Your system and the software it runs belongs to you and is in your service.

  • SavvyWolf@pawb.socialEnglish
    6·
    2 months ago

    I’ve done that before when debugging system issues. Create a snapshot before and after the issue, and diff the files to see what changed.

    I also took a snapshot before updating to a new version of Mint, realised it broke a bunch of stuff and rolled back.

    Honestly, I wish btrfs was the default in many places since taking a snapshot is so cheap and easy.

  • fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.comEnglish
    3·
    2 months ago

    Why not do both?

    I use a script in cron that uses timestamps as snapshot names, and deletes old ones. Then I also take a snapshot with a timestamp right before doing anything dumb.

    You could even make a script called mksnap that figures out what zfs/btfs you’re in on the current folder and auto-snaps it.

  • kata1yst@sh.itjust.works
    3·
    2 months ago

    This is precisely what Opensuse MicroOS, Aeon, etc do, with the one difference that they use the snapshots as a fallback rather than a test env.

    • Dario@feddit.itOP
      2·
      2 months ago

      It could be a sensible approach, but with a snapshot I am free to tinker with every aspect of the system knowing that I can revert everything with a reboot.

    • Dario@feddit.itOP
      2·
      2 months ago

      Yes, I reboot into the snapshot. I need to tinker into a copy of my system and I think there is no easy way to boot into the snapshot with a virtual machine.

  • lurch (he/him)@sh.itjust.works
    3·
    2 months ago

    I’m not using btrfs on my main workstation, but I make a fresh backup whenever my distro prompts me to update. I haven’t needed a backup in years though, because I’m experienced in doing even experimental things the way they should be done (like not using sudo in reflex for any permission error or using /usr/local/ or .local/ instead of mixing custom stuff with OS stuff etc)

  • Sina@beehaw.org
    2·
    2 months ago

    You are making it unnecessarily difficult for yourself. Rolling back a snapshot that you made before the intentional messing around is less effort than rebooting twice for seemingly no reason. Booting into a snapshot is not sandboxing, it’s not an added layer of security against a malicious package.

    • Dario@feddit.itOP
      1·
      2 months ago

      I know it is not secure. Are you saying that I can roll back to the state before I intentionally messed around without rebooting? Can you elaborate?

  • seaQueue@lemmy.world
    2·
    2 months ago

    I wrote snapshot hooks for Arch that fire before installing or upgrading packages and I have a simple shell alias that I can use to fire off a manual snapshot any time I need one. If a package breaks in an inconvenient way and can’t just be dowgraded back to function or I have some other time pressure I can just point my root partition at a clone of my most recent snapshot and reboot to roll back. I don’t usually bother rebooting into a cloned snapshot to test changes as I can just perform the same steps to roll back and the automated rolling snapshots mean I don’t need to baby anything to have the same protection.

  • zkrzsz [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    1·
    2 months ago

    You can still do the auto snapshot daily/weekly plus the manual snapshot whenever big update coming or try something.