• bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    4 months ago

    It’s chicken/egg or “you first” problem.

    You spend years on your work. You probably have loans. Your income is pitiful. And this is the structural thing that gets your name out. Now someone says “hey take a risk, don’t do it and break the system.”

    Well…you first 🤷‍♂️ they publish on this garbage because it’s the only way to move up, and these garbage systems continue on because everyone has to participate. Hate the game. Don’t blame those who are by and large forced to participate.

    It would require lot of effort from people with clout. It’s a big fight to pick. I am very much in favor of picking that fight, but we need to be a little sympathetic to what that entails.

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      4 months ago

      There are a couple things we can do:

      • decline to review for the big journals. why give them free labor? Do academic service in other ways.
      • if you’re organizing a workshop or conference, put the papers online for free. If you’re just participating and not organizing, then suggest they put the papers online for free. Here’s an example: https://aclanthology.org/ If that’s too time-consuming, use: https://arxiv.org/
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        4 months ago

        Something else we can do: regulate. Like every other corrupt industry in the history of the world, we need the force of law to fix it–and for pretty much all the same reasons. People worked at Triangle Shirtwaist because they had to, not because they thought it was a great place to work.

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        4 months ago

        Fully agree but I can tell you about point 1 that there enough gullible scientists in the world that see nothing wrong with the current system.

        They will gadly pick up free review when Nature comes knocking, since its “such an honour” for such a reputable paper.

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          4 months ago

          Such a reputable paper that’s no doubt accepted dozens of ChatGPT papers by now. Wow, how prestigious!