• mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    Again, slapping the table with ‘fact!’ ‘deal with it!’ ‘period!’ sounds childish and adds nothing.

    Especially when you’re still blaming America for Russia invading Ukraine.

    Like it’s our fault they’re still there. They can leave. We can’t keep them.

    And if we did what you’re suggesting, and just let them have Ukraine, they would invade someone else. We know this - because Ukraine’s not the first country they’ve done this to. NATO only exists because they keep fucking doing this. All of their neighbors joined a defensive pact because of it.

    But oh no no no no, if we don’t politely talk to them about it, that’s us causing this war to go on. Fuck off.

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      9 months ago

      Especially when you’re still blaming America for Russia invading Ukraine.

      Show me where I did that. I don’t recall.

      My only point has been that America doesn’t want the war to end, and this is very obvious. Neither giving Ukraine enough supplies to win nor negotiating with Russia, just endless war.

        • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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          9 months ago

          America is not giving Ukraine enough supplies to win. This doesn’t blame America for Russia’s invasion.

          America is not willing to let Ukraine negotiate with Russia. This doesn’t blame America for Russia’s invasion.

          I can only conclude, based on the fact that America clearly isn’t trying to end the war, that it doesn’t want the war to ever end. This isn’t blaming America for Russia’s invasion! America baited Russia into a quagmire and sprung a trap on them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Russia fell for it. Russia may prove me wrong and show that it can somehow benefit from this, but this looks like a pretty obvious win for America.

          Russia fell into a trap of America’s making, but that doesn’t mean America forced Russia to invade Ukraine or America is to blame.

          Hell, America has even said that Ukraine will be allowed to join NATO after the war is over. Why not allow Ukraine to join right now? Because America doesn’t want Ukraine to win! America wants the war to last as long as Russia can sustain the fighting, because it hurts Russia.

          I don’t know how much more clear I can be that America is not to blame for Russia invading Ukraine. You are so moralistic you actually can’t comprehend geopolitics as anything but a story about good guys and bad guys; you interpret any criticism of America’s handling of this war as siding with Russia, as if I support a war of aggression. Playing blame games is for children. Grow up.

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            9 months ago

            America has not stopped Ukraine negotiating with Russia.

            Repeatedly insisting that America is - by any means - deviously prolonging the invasion, is blaming America for the continuing invasion of Ukraine. You flat-out shrugged and treated the continued war as a given, when you blamed America for not negotiating.

            Negotiating for fucking what, by the way? There is only one term that matters: leave. It is 100.0% up to Russia to do that.

            America baited Russia into a quagmire and sprung a trap on them

            … “bUt HoW aM i bLaMiNg AmEriCa fOr ThE iNvAsIon?!”

            Get blocked, useless fucking troll.