I find it odd that we have advanced how complex our understanding of human beings and gender are and yet…we STILL have caveman days levels of designatiin when it comes to determining a person’s gender ? Why?
We literslly have technologies that we can use to help a person transition from one gender to another or even to help them become more like the non-binary person they really are with different hormones! And different sugeries!..and yet…we still have this binary caveman designation when it comes to understanding gender!?
Back im the neolithic days a person would burn at the stake the suggestion that such a tjing as ‘hormones’ exist or even at the suggestion of a mosaic model of gender, gender expression , and sexuality…and yet…most humans stilll drag on this neolithic barbaric format when it comes to understanding modern gender, gender expressions and sexuality?!
We outnumber the capitalists, we always have and we always will, so I dont see why WE aent the ones who are dictating jow we define , format , understand, and deeper research things like gender, gender expressions, sexuality, and even other concepts relating the mosaic models of human categorization that we havent begun to even imagine yet!
And I say this as a cis-male who was rsised with that very binary, caveman, oooga boooga ‘oNlY mAlE AnD fEmAle’ model of gender. I was actually somewhat shocked when I was presented this mosaic model relating to the mosaic model of gender and sexuality and human categorization. And this is only thr SURFACE! We can go deeper!
Cause like think about it : With the mosaic model of gende r, sexuality, and human expression w e are merely scratching the SURFACE of things relating to gender snd sexuality and human expression . We have learned more about the human brain in the last 30 years alone than we have in the last like 500 or 1000 or whatever millenia…what is to say that we are not going to do the same when it comes to gender, sxuality and human expression in the next 30 years? Heck there could be like a 3D or even 4D Mosaic Model that finally accurately , undeniably, falsifiably defines ALL of human gender, sexuality and expression!..
Maybe Im getting a bit too ahead of myself with the 4D model lol but I do think we can all agree that our current understanding of gender, sexuality and human expression and even social relations betwween different people of different genders is being held back by letting ourselves be controlled by capitalists who only want to research new weapoms to more effectively vaporize Palestinians, Venezuelans, Colombians, Cubans , and Sudanese … 😐 We gotta end that first!
I’ve read that women’s skin is elastic along two axes while men’s skin is elastic along only one axis. Is true, or variable across a spectrum, or simply false?
We have to look at rhe science of that. Cause that sounds interesting bit I have yet to encounter a single study covering a topic like that!
The fact that we arent researching things like this and are instead choosong to research how to make more explosive nuclear weapons to blow each other up has got to stop!
As a Blackadder fan, I’m struggling with this because of Nursie.
Out you popped, out of your mummies tumpkin and everyone shouted : “It’s a boy, it’s a boy!”. And somebody said “but it hasn’t got a winkle!”. And then I said “A boy without a winkle? God be praised, it is a miracle. A boy without a winkle!” And then Sir Thomas More pointed out that a boy without a winkle is a girl. And everyone was really disappointed.
Biblically accurate sex
I’m part way through the article, and its a fascinating read, and very well explained
I think its interesting how people tie themselves into knots with the whole binary male/female with convoluted descriptions of large small gametes defining gender (I’m particularly thinking of jk rowlings tweet and all the terf stuff)
I can see how binary definitions can never adequately reflect the complexity of an individuals internal experience. And also the designation of male/female is a social construct than biological reality
I am a late in life diagnosed autistic woman, my experience of reality will always differ from someone who doesn’t have sensory issues because of my autism. I’ve had my mother, teachers and friends deny my experiences of reality because it doesn’t match theirs. It seems barbaric to apply outdated social constructs to something as varied and complex as a human being
I think I may be waffling, but TLDR thanks for the link, its helping me understand things more clearly
Edit, just finished reading it now, and I love how it suggests using the description of a “mosaic” definition of gender as opposed to binary or spectrum
Really good article
First I have to say is Im sorry for the barbarity snd fascism you faced cause of your autism 🫂
Also I read this from you and it made me think of something . I find it odd that we have advanced how complex our understanding of human beings and gender are and yet…we STILL have caveman days levels of designatiin when it comes to determining a person’s gender ? Why?
We literslly have technologies that we can use to help a person transition from one gender to another or even to help them become more like the non-binary person they really are with different hormones! And different sugeries!..and yet…we still have this binary caveman designation when it comes to understanding gender!?
Back im the neolithic days a person would burn at the stake the suggestion that such a tjing as ‘hormones’ exist or even at the suggestion of a mosaic model of gender, gender expression , and sexuality…and yet…most humans stilll drag on this neolithic barbaric format when it comes to understanding modern gender, gender expressions and sexuality?!
We outnumber the capitalists, we always have and we always will, so I dont see why WE aent the ones who are dictating jow we define , format , understand, and deeper research things like gender, gender expressions, sexuality, and even other concepts relating the mosaic models of human categorization that we havent begun to even imagine yet!
And I say this as a cis-male who was rsised with that very binary, caveman, oooga boooga ‘oNlY mAlE AnD fEmAle’ model of gender. I was actually somewhat shocked when I was presented this mosaic model relating to the mosaic model of gender and sexuality and human categorization. And this is only thr SURFACE! We can go deeper!
Cause like think about it : With the mosaic model of gende r, sexuality, and human expression w e are merely scratching the SURFACE of things relating to gender snd sexuality and human expression . We have learned more about the human brain in the last 30 years alone than we have in the last like 500 or 1000 or whatever millenia…what is to say that we are not going to do the same when it comes to gender, sxuality and human expression in the next 30 years? Heck there could be like a 3D or even 4D Mosaic Model that finally accurately , undeniably, falsifiably defines ALL of human gender, sexuality and expression!
Maybe Im getting a bit too ahead of myself with the 4D model lol but I do think we can all agree that our current understanding of gender, sexuality and human expression and even social relations betwween different people of different genders is being held back by letting ourselves be controlled by capitalists who only want to research new weapoms to more effectively vaporize Palestinians, Colombians, Cubans , and Sudanese … 😐 We gotta end that!
Wdym it’s not binary?? You either have sex or don’t have sex, simple as!! /s
What if you just put the tip in?
Still counts as sex.
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I was going to make a rape joke but decided against it.
You may as well have just made the joke if you are gonna say that. Don’t make it, I’m just saying it made no sense to even comment if you didn’t wanna offend. Though philosophically why ever comment at all… 🤔
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I was going to make a removed joke but decided against it.
y’know i think some thoughts are better left unexpressed
That was a good read
It makes me think why has noone put it together like this before, but then biology isn’t my specialism.
the thing is that we have learned more about the humanbrain in the last 30 years alone than we have in that last hundreds of millenia… Who is to say we arent holding ourselves back to further understanding things like gender, sexuality , and gender expressions?!
We HAD the ability to learn more about the brain and to further define and understand the machinations and constructiom and osychology of the brain all those years ago…
BUT we chose ro get held back by the fuedalists and mercantilists. We let them define to us what the brain is and we all just went along with it. Back in the day the heart was determined to be the centre and controller of all the body’s functions cause the fuedalists put out that narrative and we all chose to go along with it… We now know that its MUUUCH more complex than that and that NO the heart is not the primary controller of the body’s fuctions , it simply oumps blood and oxygen and other vital fluids different parts of the body that are in need…
Today we are choosing to get held back by the capitalists…
Who knows? Without them we may have a falsifiable Mosaic Model Of Gender and Gender Expression that blows our socks off and looks NOTHING like what we have today and is a trillion times more accurate and inclusive!
Thats probablt why nobody has been able to put it out yet or research it. Maybe the people who came up with a similar model in the past were executed by their slavedrivers or they were eternally silenced from public media and mutilated so they could not voice what they thought on the matter. MAybe The CIAor CSCI or Mi6 or whatever these other special ops mercenary , class traitor prganizations are called probably killed off a researcher or group of researchers in the past that did in fact come up with this same model and wanted it to be published!?
I kept telling people in Reddit comments, but I’m only a microbiologist, so I didn’t feel qualified to get all the details right.
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I think probably physical gender is binary
That’s an interesting reply to make with no further details, in response to an article that directly contradicts you.
I’m tired, so I’m not looking it up but iirc intersex is WAY more fucking common than you think and there are SO MANY ways it can happen. It’s not very rare outliers, but people also fuckin mutilate their kids over that shit and plenty of stupid shit so here we are thinking it’s like .01% of people.
Anecdotally, one of my friends eventually discovered through a lot of digging that he was very literally assigned female at birth, as he was born intersex and surgically “corrected” at birth without even his parents being told. They only discovered it when the family did DNA tests for some family history thing.
Ya there is that one guy Brian D. Earp who talked about how babies who are born intersex are mutilated like its nothing to assign them a certain sex . And then of course we have babies that are born with perfectly healthy genatalia who are also mutilated like its nothing. THATS what happened to me. And to so many other babies in our world today as I type this…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQQTIpBWqvY
The thing that makes me think is that these are such MAAASSIVE issues and yet most of society chooses to …sweep them under the rug?..Why?
Why are we choosing to not confromt such important issues right now?! Why not before?! What are we doing!?
Even physical sex being a binary is a construct, basically taking a series of dynamic characteristics that occur as bimodal distributions and reducing them down to two categories. These categories have explanatory utility, but shouldn’t be essentialized.
All of which makes the idea of a strict gender binary seem that much more ridiculous.
The outliers are the exception that prove the rule though. The very fact that intersex people exist at all shows that the physical process of inducing the development of sexual characteristics is complicated and messy, and not a simple switch. It’s just that evolution has fine-tuned the process enough that in the majority of cases it leads to people who are within ranges that can be considered “wholly male” or “wholly female”. So the sexual binary model isn’t useless, but it’s important to be aware that it is just a model and not reality.
Indeed its a model. A somewhat accurate model. BUT An outdated one
Like I think about it like this .
We have newton’s model of the gravitational equation, right? Its just a model .A somewhat accurate model… But An outdated model.
…Then we have Einstein’s… which is far more accurate.
And who knows? Who is to say thar einstein’s model is COMPLETELY accurate? There could be faults in it we havent encountered yet
Way out of my scope of knowledge but I think a hypothetical unification of quantum mechanics and general relativity would be the next big model. Hasn’t happened yet but it’s probably possible
There are also big variables that general relativity predicts but that we don’t know much about, like dark matter, which suggest potential for an alternative or updated model.
For most of our use cases, though, it has a lot of utility and seems to be super accurate
That’s true. But also, for 99.9% of physics problems people use day to day, Newton’s model works great.
If people need the “relativistic model” of gender to understand their own situation, i.e. if they’re intersex, thats great and im glad thats available. But theres no need for people to account for relativity if they’re just trying to determine how fast a pendulum is swinging or something, and if someone meets the generally accepted definition of male or female biological sex (which 99.9% of people do), i dont think there’s much need to complicate things.
Rare, sure, but keep in mind that even a 0.2% incidence rate means that 16 million people wouldn’t fit the binary gender model. And that’s the most conservative estimate for the condition given in the article. 6% puts it closer to half a billion people.
That’s what I took from it as well 0.2 is 1 in 500, ok its quite a lot, but 6% is just over 1 in 16 people.
And the sad truth is that we dont even know if its 0.1 or 0.2% or even higher than 6% cause we are curreently choosing not to and have not chosen to research the commonality and impact of this type of person being born deeper.
We are for some reason choosing to be stuck on these estimates when we should be trying to be as caring and exact as possible, ESPECIALLY when it comes to a babie’s gender and their bodily autonomy!
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This is a science community that should be open to reasoned and reasonable debate, the moderator that removed my reply has no scientific education and no place here.
If youre going to debate CITE research of your own. Dont just come in with random opinions with little research backing them.
The point of scientific debate is that YOUR science is larger and /or more rigorous than your opponent’s thus proving thst youre probably more correct on the matter than they are.
If someone or I say ‘im the reincarnation of Mao-Tse-Tung!’ , does anybody hare have to believe me unless I can prove it? How would I be able to prove that without medical records that prove that it is the undeniable truth?
