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    For the record, I have and do criticize China on certain things, such as LGBT rights

    Your profile motto:

    If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.

    Evidence or GTFO.

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      Sure.

      China’s modern day homophobia does not come from a place of “The Buddha said this was bad,” rather, it comes from seeing homosexuality as a Western invention, and a symptom of “bourgeois decadence.” Sadly, such brainworms are common in many socialist countries. There is a stereotype many people have that gay people all live in cities and spend all our time partying at nightclubs, because that makes for better TV than the reality does.

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        I think we have different definitions what criticism is, because all you do there is explain why, whitewash.

        Wait, no, unless you think this is the part when you criticize China

        Sadly, such brainworms are common in many socialist countries

        Because you don’t. You explicitly don’t criticize China in this sentence.

        Edit: I checked, definition of the words are clear. To criticize is to pass judgment, or find fault. To explain is to provide context or inform or clarify. You did the latter.

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          How is acknowledging that Chinese homophobia exists, is a problem, and comes out of a socialist intellectual tradition not a criticism of China? Wtf are you talking about? Obviously, that falls under “finding fault.”

          Yes, of course I’m going to contextualize and explain it, because the person in that thread asked me for an explanation.

          This is ridiculous goalpost moving. No criticism would ever be enough for you, short of going full on rainbow imperialism, chauvanism, or exaggerating/making shit up. You’re being blatantly intellectually dishonest.

          Because you don’t. You explicitly don’t criticize China in this sentence.

          This is just straight up lying. Acknowledging that a problem in China is also a problem in other socialist countries does somehow make it not a problem when China does it. Fuck off with that BS.

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            No, literally writing “I think China is wrong on LGBT treatment” would suffice. You did NOT write that. Thats not goalpost moving, dont try to gaslight me. From the start to finish I keep claiming I have never seen you critisize China. This still remains. You’re sad on SOME communist country brainworms, but you did not list that specific country in that sentence, nor your personal opinion on homophobia in question.

            Heck, you can write it right now and I will be convinced and for as long that comment remains will never claim you’re incapable of criticizing China.

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              Yeah, if you completely ignore the fact that that sentence was in the context of talking about China, if you completely ignore the parts where I talk specifically about “China’s modern day homophobia” then you might not be the bold-faced liar that you are. Talking about me gaslighting you while trying to pull this shit is incredibly rich.

              Liberals only ask for evidence of criticism to use it in bad faith, exhibit #1684938