• therealdries@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    24 hours ago

    Hell, read up on the Russian Civil War

    Guess what, Clyde? No states were harmed during the Russian Civil War!

    The Bolsheviks, quite literally, seized the state! History is amazing, isn’t it?

    As I said, a history book,

    You have, so far, not managed to prove that you’ve read any, bright spark.

    it’s the first thing to happen,

    Lol! Do you even have the foggiest idea what it is you are talking about?

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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      10 hours ago

      Minor correction, the Soviet State destroyed the Provisional Government, which was the successor state to the Tsarist state. By technicality, 2 states were destroyed while one was solidified.

    • chaogomu@lemmy.world
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      23 hours ago

      No states were harmed during the Russian Civil War!

      The State, the organization and apparatus of control.

      In a civil war, you must either A, seize control of the State, or B, build your own State and push the old one out.

      You obviously don’t know that the Russian Civil War was more of a situation B kind of thing, so by definition a State was destroyed.

      And yeah, you can have multiple would be States competing for control, because control is all that matters.

      You can either gain control via violence, which can and will fail against a modern State, or via the will of the governed. That second one is only possible via processes seen as legitimate by those governed.

      Once one has control of the State, it can be reshaped to suit one’s desires. We’ve all watched it happen half a dozen times over the last decade alone.