It’s also not too far separated from the Soviet Union, which represents “communism” in many peoples minds despite its fairly rapid departure from Marxist ideals.
The USSR did not “rapidly depart from Marxist ideals.” I don’t know where this mythologized version of Marxism originated, but Marx was explicit about wanting a dictatorship of the proletariat, a democratically controlled state that had public ownership as the principal aspect of the economy. This was the only path Marx saw as a transition to communism.
Also, rent was mostly a nominal thing as far as it related to disposable income in the USSR, which is completely different from the US. Makes sense considering the USSR was run by the working classes and the US is run by capitalists.
Ah yes, the Soviet union where rent capped out at 10% of your salary, and that’s just in places without any labor incentives. If you were in a new industrial town your rent was free since it was you doing a favor to the people in moving to a remote area and having to live in a new city. That’s totally the same thing as American capitalism and totally opposed to Marxist ideals…
1930s-1980s USSR. (Gorbachev’s reforms really fucked with some areas before the collapse but the edge of the union was unharmed until the 1991 collapse wherein many former states of the USSR experienced homelessness as a problem for the first time in 70 years.)
Also some parts of China have rules of 0-25% of your salary depending on location, whether or not you were a rural citizen before moving to a rented home, and why you moved. (not that normal rent is far off from that thanks to the fact only 8% of the Chinese population doesn’t own a home.)
For fun, when I was in school, I’d ask people what they thought of this and that all the time and I was very much impressed that “what is ____” are questions that don’t have answers. Our education is fucked.
Generally, to boomers capitalism and communism is absolutely summed up with that drunk in the grocery store story.
It is what American boomers think “communism” is.
It’s also not too far separated from the Soviet Union, which represents “communism” in many peoples minds despite its fairly rapid departure from Marxist ideals.
The USSR did not “rapidly depart from Marxist ideals.” I don’t know where this mythologized version of Marxism originated, but Marx was explicit about wanting a dictatorship of the proletariat, a democratically controlled state that had public ownership as the principal aspect of the economy. This was the only path Marx saw as a transition to communism.
Also, rent was mostly a nominal thing as far as it related to disposable income in the USSR, which is completely different from the US. Makes sense considering the USSR was run by the working classes and the US is run by capitalists.
Ah yes, the Soviet union where rent capped out at 10% of your salary, and that’s just in places without any labor incentives. If you were in a new industrial town your rent was free since it was you doing a favor to the people in moving to a remote area and having to live in a new city. That’s totally the same thing as American capitalism and totally opposed to Marxist ideals…
10%! Where can I sign up?
1930s-1980s USSR. (Gorbachev’s reforms really fucked with some areas before the collapse but the edge of the union was unharmed until the 1991 collapse wherein many former states of the USSR experienced homelessness as a problem for the first time in 70 years.)
Also some parts of China have rules of 0-25% of your salary depending on location, whether or not you were a rural citizen before moving to a rented home, and why you moved. (not that normal rent is far off from that thanks to the fact only 8% of the Chinese population doesn’t own a home.)
For fun, when I was in school, I’d ask people what they thought of this and that all the time and I was very much impressed that “what is ____” are questions that don’t have answers. Our education is fucked.
Generally, to boomers capitalism and communism is absolutely summed up with that drunk in the grocery store story.
Consumer choice is typically the vibes.
Whatever you criticisms of the USSR, they weren’t charging folks 25% or even 11% of their income in rent. I