• shrugal@lemm.ee
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    2 年前

    What unjustified claim did I make that you disagree with? Seems all rather uncontroversial to me.

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      The moral thing to do is to pay your share of that if you make a copy, even if the copy itself doesn’t cost anything.

      i don’t need to disagree to disbelieve. i do disagree, but without establishing your justification for this claim, it’s kind of hard to argue against it.

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        The justification was that creating things has a cost, even if a copy doesn’t, and that we should distribute that cost as fairly as possible among the people benefiting from the creation.

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            Idk what to tell you but: Yes it does. We can’t really argue if you refuse to elaborate your point.

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              when you drive over a bridge, do you tip the engineering form? the contractors? they’re the ones who created this experience for you.

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                I pay taxes, those were used to pay the people who build the bridge. And yes, taxes should be fair. If it’s a private bridge then the owners have every right to demand a fee for crossing it.

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                  2 年前

                  not the owners: the designers. what if I copy the bridge and put it in my front yard: do you think I owe royalties to the engineering firm?

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                    Yes, of course. They created the design, it cost them time and money, you want to use it, so you should pay part of those costs. Or to put it differently: You both use the design, why should they be the ones to pay for its creation, and not you?

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                2 年前

                Yes, you do, in the form of buying gas or paying taxes. You don’t even have to use the bridge to have to pay for it.

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                    It depends on the system. In taxes, yes. Use isn’t tied to paying. In consumer goods and services, they are not paid by taxes. So they do have a direct use/buy causation.