• RiverRock@lemmy.ml
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    Libya went from the country with Africa’s highest HDI to a failed state with open air slave markets thanks to NATO imperial bombing. Go tell them it’s bullshit.

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      Alright, so if I agree that that was really bad, will you agree to the fact that Russia is waging offensive war against Ukraine?

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        You don’t agree that’s bad though, as evidenced by the fact you’re defending NATO, while also trying to whataboutism to something nobody mentioned

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        Hold on, I want to see if you recognize the implications of what you just agreed to. You agree that NATO annihilated a prosperous society, yet you still believe what they say about the other countries they want to go to war with? Why? It’s not like they were honest about Libya.

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          NATO was never supposed to go to war, it was supposed to defend against agression. Every attack by NATO is a huge failure, and a mistake.

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            Really? Wow, then it seems like they fail and make mistakes so insanely often that nothing they say merits trust, wouldn’t you agree? I wouldn’t trust a surgeon who keeps “accidentally” removing people’s eyes; I would call for his resignation and investigation. I certainly wouldn’t choose to defend him in a dispute whose origins I know nothing about.

            If this has all been a long series of mass murdering whoopsies on NATO’s part, then NATO is incompetent to the point of being a useless danger to the world and must be promptly dismantled.

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            Actually, when you realize that NATO has never ever gone on a defensive war ever, and every conflict it’s been involved in has been about aggression against other countries, you realize that those aren’t mistakes or exceptions: they’re exactly the reason for which NATO was created.

            Death to NATO

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            NATO was never supposed to go to war

            LOL

            it was supposed to defend against agression

            LMAO

            You really took the propaganda outline of what they told you it was for at face value. NATO from it’s inception has been a vehicle to boost arms sales and further US foreign policy. Or as NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte put it, it is a "platform for the United States to project power on the World stage“.

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                    It is currently elbow deep in assisting the Palestinian genocide and making criticism illegal.

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                    It’s literally backing genocide, it’s also attacked a lot more countries than Russia in the last few decades.

                    Just admit you’re a racist

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                    “right now” they are, but if they aren’t it’s okay? Fuck the past, history start from now.

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                Because most of Europe is made of of the most violent imperialists in history who don’t give a fuck about human life beyond their value on a spreadsheet? Do you know nothing of European history? The terrors of the British empire? French terror through the CFA Franc? Finland not removing their air force swastika until 2023? And so much more. NATO is to the modern world what the Axis was in the 1930s the alliance of the most militant imperialists looking out for their interests as capitalism declines.

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            Every attack by NATO is a huge failure, and a mistake.

            So when NATO expands eastward and it’s seen as aggressive by another nation, especially in regards to historical precedent, how do you think that nation will react?

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              Tell me, how many times has NATO attacked a neighbour? Because it usually goes into another continents. So why would it matter who joins?

              How many neighbours has Russia attacked? Oh boy. No wonder every one of them wants a bigger friend.

              So no, fuck Russia. Fuck it for attacking Ukraine, fuck it for attacking EU.

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                Tell me, how many times has NATO attacked a neighbour?

                There’s examples in this very thread where they attack not a neighbor but a country far away. And you see this having more legitimacy? Lol

                How many neighbours has Russia attacked? Oh boy. No wonder every one of them wants a bigger friend.

                Weren’t you the one crying whataboutism lol

                So no, fuck Russia. Fuck it for attacking Ukraine, fuck it for attacking EU.

                Crazy that they just did that, not like they saw any aggression right?